2022/23 Sean Dyche

[Egil Olsen]

You can go around the houses all you want. He is demonstrably a bottom-end of the league manager.

I don't like these characteristics. Time will tell how successful Dyche will be at Everton, but he deserves the chance and so far he has done a good job under the prevailing conditions. Then it is the case that managers at the top are not necessarily any better managers, but they usually have some form of authority which makes it easier to be respected by other top players.

Then many of these managers, read Guardiola, will be brought up in a culture where the teams are so dominant that their job is to find ways to break down the defence. Guardiola could use the goalkeeper as a false No. 9 and get away with it as a tactical triumph. That is not the reality for 99 percent of all other world managers. Even Xavi in Barcelona has moved away from many of his principles, and Ancelotti won the CL with ultra-defensive play, which offensively was mostly based on counterattacks and individual performances.

If we were Barcelona, or Manchester City, Dyche would obviously not be suitable for the job. But we are Everton, a club that has fought against relegation for the last two seasons and is completely devoid of players with some exceptional talent. What we need now is a manager who manages to bring us together, tighten up the organisation, etc. Here Dyche is perfect. If we had brought in Guardiola with his philosophy, or someone else, I promise you we would have been relegated. Even if they are top managers.

 

[Carlito]

We are a "bottom end of the league team", demonstrably. Would it not make sense to employ somebody dealing with "bottom end of the league" players on a weekly basis, rather than a washed up champions league 'winner' from nearly 20 years ago, or an inexperienced manager, who has not long hung up his boots as a wonderful footballer, who played alongside some of the best footballers this country has seen? Dyche won't panic, which is crucial in my opinion. He has the full CV, in fighting relegation. If we DO go down, at least we can say we 'tried' to do something about it. It's on the players, in my opinion, anyway. Jordan Pickford aside, that we are where we are.

That's basically what I said at the start of the exchange.

 

[Carlito]

I don't like these characteristics. Time will tell how successful Dyche will be at Everton, but he deserves the chance and so far he has done a good job under the prevailing conditions. Then it is the case that managers at the top are not necessarily any better managers, but they usually have some form of authority which makes it easier to be respected by other top players.

Then many of these managers, read Guardiola, will be brought up in a culture where the teams are so dominant that their job is to find ways to break down the defence. Guardiola could use the goalkeeper as a false No. 9 and get away with it as a tactical triumph. That is not the reality for 99 percent of all other world managers. Even Xavi in Barcelona has moved away from many of his principles, and Ancelotti won the CL with ultra-defensive play, which offensively was mostly based on counterattacks and individual performances.

If we were Barcelona, or Manchester City, Dyche would obviously not be suitable for the job. But we are Everton, a club that has fought against relegation for the last two seasons and is completely devoid of players with some exceptional talent. What we need now is a manager who manages to bring us together, tighten up the organisation, etc. Here Dyche is perfect. If we had brought in Guardiola with his philosophy, or someone else, I promise you we would have been relegated. Even if they are top managers.

I appreciate you taking the time to write all of that, but I haven't been disputing Dyche's suitability for the current situation.

 

[BlueToff]

Got it spectacularly wrong yesterday.

Eight games to get it right, which he has done the majority of times.

I still think we need 4 wins (or 12 points) to absolutely guarantee safety. I don't think 3 wins and 3 draws is out of the realms of possibility but the next two are huge.

 

[st.domingo]

Got it spectacularly wrong yesterday.

Eight games to get it right, which he has done the majority of times.

I still think we need 4 wins (or 12 points) to absolutely guarantee safety. I don't think 3 wins and 3 draws is out of the realms of possibility but the next two are huge.

It was the first proper misstep tbf.

Let’s hope lessons are learned swiftly.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Still think he's doing a decent job and was the best man available for us at the time that Lampard was sacked. A win against Fulham this weekend will go a long way.

 

[malacker94]

First paragraph I can go with. Second paragraph is ruined a little by Kompany taking Burnley back into the PL playing beautiful passing attacking football all season, not long ball ugly football, despite being a small club, small stadium, no budget, no superstars, and may I add no fans really. The media kept telling us how great a job Dyche did at Burnley. Do not fall for it.

This is a completely new squad in Burnley and it's the Championship. Let VK qualify for Europe with Burnley then we might discuss Dyche's achievements to be overrated.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

You can go around the houses all you want. He is demonstrably a bottom-end of the league manager.

You can go around the houses all you want. If he keeps us up it's the biggest single achievement of any Everton manager in 17 years.

That's if I've counted the years correctly since Moyes finished 4th.

 

[Nymzee]

You can go around the houses all you want. If he keeps us up it's the biggest single achievement of any Everton manager in 17 years.

That's if I've counted the years correctly since Moyes finished 4th.

Dave is going to come at you so fast for this.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Just a little reminder.

Dyche was appointed here;

The rot was deep;

We had/have the worst attack/front three in the division. It would struggle in the Championship. Most of us have acknowledged that our front three without Calvert-Lewin dictated relegation scrap no matter who the manager.

Dyche's has been here 10 league games. His first 5 games included top of the league Arsenal x2, Liverpool away as well as Aston Villa and Leeds.

He's achieved this in those 10 games - half of those games were Arsenal x2, Liverpool away, Man Utd away, Chelsea away. How often do we get results at Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd or Chelsea?

If our form under Dyches continues - we stay up which all considered - would be a remarkable achievement for him

 

[CielosGrises]

Always interesting to see if managers can learn from their mistakes and adapt quickly.

We seemed to revert to type a bit against Utd.

Our better spells with Ancelotti and Benitez coincided with the fitness and form of Doucoure too - he seems to bring something so can Dyche adapt to losing him ?

 

[Carlito]

You can go around the houses all you want. If he keeps us up it's the biggest single achievement of any Everton manager in 17 years.

That's if I've counted the years correctly since Moyes finished 4th.

That was't the argument.

The other poster took issue with me describing Dyche as a bottom-end of the league, relegation-fighting manager (said in response to those making more out of the United loss than is really necessary), on the basis that he once finished 7th with Burnley.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

That was't the argument.

The other poster took issue with me describing Dyche as a bottom-end of the league, relegation-fighting manager (said in response to those making more out of the United loss than is really necessary), on the basis that he once finished 7th with Burnley.

Well, prior Everton he managed Watford;

Mackay left to join Cardiff City in June 2011, and Dyche was promoted to manager.[10] Watford finished the 2011–12 season in 11th place in the Football League Championship, the club's best finish for four years, but a change in club ownership led to his dismissal at the end of the season.[11]

... and Burnley.

He overachieved at Burnley, he's like a god there.

So let's see how he does at Everton?

He's never really had a chance to achieve anything other than the box he's in has he?

I think if we stay up and give him any sort of attack, he'd have us at least mid table next season.

 

[Carlito]

Well, prior Everton he managed Watford;

Mackay left to join Cardiff City in June 2011, and Dyche was promoted to manager.[10] Watford finished the 2011–12 season in 11th place in the Football League Championship, the club's best finish for four years, but a change in club ownership led to his dismissal at the end of the season.[11]

... and Burnley.

He overachieved at Burnley, he's like a god there.

So let's see how he does at Everton?

He's never really had a chance to achieve anything other than the box he's in has he?

I think if we stay up and give him any sort of attack, he'd have us at least mid table next season.

He hasn't done anything that the likes of Pulis, Allardyce, Pardew and Hodgson haven't, and the only reason he's here is because the club was in such a desperate state.

His limitations and ceiling are obvious. We're not obliged to pretend that he's something he isn't just because he's in the Everton job.

 

[cantlivewithem]

I don't like these characteristics. Time will tell how successful Dyche will be at Everton, but he deserves the chance and so far he has done a good job under the prevailing conditions. Then it is the case that managers at the top are not necessarily any better managers, but they usually have some form of authority which makes it easier to be respected by other top players.

Then many of these managers, read Guardiola, will be brought up in a culture where the teams are so dominant that their job is to find ways to break down the defence. Guardiola could use the goalkeeper as a false No. 9 and get away with it as a tactical triumph. That is not the reality for 99 percent of all other world managers. Even Xavi in Barcelona has moved away from many of his principles, and Ancelotti won the CL with ultra-defensive play, which offensively was mostly based on counterattacks and individual performances.

If we were Barcelona, or Manchester City, Dyche would obviously not be suitable for the job. But we are Everton, a club that has fought against relegation for the last two seasons and is completely devoid of players with some exceptional talent. What we need now is a manager who manages to bring us together, tighten up the organisation, etc. Here Dyche is perfect. If we had brought in Guardiola with his philosophy, or someone else, I promise you we would have been relegated. Even if they are top managers.

I think it would quite a while before we outgrow a Sean Dyche. He is more like Joe Royle to me than David Moyes. Moyes tended to bottle it against big teams even when we had a really decent first team. Whereas Sean like Big Joe will always have a go. As our team becomes more balanced and improves we will see that more. At the moment our team is not at the standard that Moyes's was at its prime so it does seem like we are more defensive than Sean would like us to play because we have so few options