2023/24 Sean Dyche

[StDomingosGringo]

Feels like there’s 3 different types of criticism going on in here.

There’s the fair & reasonable sort. Questioning choice of formations, timing of subs, choice of starters. Criticism grounded in reality whether you like Dyche or not.

Then there’s the hypothetical sort saying he won’t be good enough to take us into European contention in some monied future. Not sure there’s much evidence of that but fair enough.

Then there’s the group that asks why doesn’t he take our very limited resources & play a completely different way to what suits our squad.

Seems a bit counter intuitive to me but maybe I’m missing how using our players to their strengths is a bad thing.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

Klopp's won a few trophies that Dyche absolutely never will while changing his approach to games, not the tactics per se.

Dyche's won nothing, won't change his approach and doesn't know how to game manage.

He's going to win us a trophy this year mate.

 

[Mr Happy]

"Bring a blue home"

Can almost hear the shouts now !!

 

[Toffeelover]

He plays 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1 and even in some cases 4-4-2 himself.

Dyche plays 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 his entire career more or less.

Arteta plays 4-2-3-1 mostly, Guardiola too, most managers have preferences for tactics and use 1 or 2, Carlo relies on 4-3-3 himself. It's the approach and preparation for games, which we don't do - we prepare to do nothing with the ball so teams just let us have it and crap on us. Much like it was with Burnley for 10 years in the Prem.

Oh yeah Dyche's flexibility means we have to shoehorn in Michael Keggers in the team, fantastic stuff, great flexibility.

Most of those have won titles and will continue to compete, the other is Sean Dyche. Fantastic example to pick btw.

GeT iN ThE BiN lol

He is and always has been defended minded,.

 

[Lobworm]

He is and always has been defended minded,.

By and large he's been managing teams whose sole intention is simply staying up.

 

[Toffeelover]

By and large he's been managing teams whose sole intention is simply staying up.

Because no top clubs wanted him as a manager, they could see he was very limited in his outlook.

 

[DualityNSNO]

By and large he's been managing teams whose sole intention is simply staying up.

He also loves preparing to inevitably be in a relegation fight with any team.

 

[Lobworm]

Because no top clubs wanted him as a manager, they could see he was very limited in his outlook.

I suppose it depends what you define as a 'top club'? Our long term history suggests we in fact are a 'top club' I realise you might not agree, in which case, maybe he's found his level with us?

He also loves preparing to inevitably be in a relegation fight with any team.

I have no idea what he 'loves' tbh. But I think he'd prefer to be at the other end of the table, as would any manager, player or supporter. TBF our actual points gained would suggest we're not even close to a relegation fight this season.

 

[Toffeelover]

I suppose it depends what you define as a 'top club'? Our long term history suggests we in fact are a 'top club' I realise you might not agree, in which case, maybe he's found his level with us?

I have no idea what he 'loves' tbh. But I think he'd prefer to be at the other end of the table, as would any manager, player or supporter. TBF our actual points gained would suggest we're not even close to a relegation fight this season.

1) ATM we are not a top club. If this is his level with us or is it our level with him as Burnley found. Bearing in mind after leaving Burnley he was going nowhere until we advertised for a manger. Was he the only candidate I ask ?

2) Forget about the points deduction it happened, the fact is we still have the same players and manager before that so why are we not climbing out of the bottom ?

 

[blueboy72]

I suppose it depends what you define as a 'top club'? Our long term history suggests we in fact are a 'top club' I realise you might not agree, in which case, maybe he's found his level with us?

I have no idea what he 'loves' tbh. But I think he'd prefer to be at the other end of the table, as would any manager, player or supporter. TBF our actual points gained would suggest we're not even close to a relegation fight this season.

While all clubs try to keep clean sheets every game, in reality this doesn’t happen often especially, being a bottom 6/8 team. But to me his sole game plan is to try and not concede. With kept 6 in 20 which is very good to be fair, I think we’d struggle to match that the 2nd of the season. And that’s worry, he has no plan or idea when we go a goal down.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I have no idea what he 'loves' tbh. But I think he'd prefer to be at the other end of the table, as would any manager, player or supporter. TBF our actual points gained would suggest we're not even close to a relegation fight this season.

Simples, a good pint, a good curry, 4-4-feckin-2 with a big lad up top and worms.

Our points gained are great but a bad run is inevitable, those seems to last 4-5 games, and we have -10 points to work with too.

 

[Toffeelover]

Simples, a good pint, a good curry, 4-4-feckin-2 with a big lad up top and worms.

Our points gained are great but a bad run is inevitable, those seems to last 4-5 games, and we have -10 points to work with too.

We have the same players and manager so why are we not climbing out of the bottom to make up for the lost points ?

 

[Lobworm]

1) ATM we are not a top club. If this is his level with us or is it our level with him as Burnley found. Bearing in mind after leaving Burnley he was going nowhere until we advertised for a manger. Was he the only candidate I ask ?

2) Forget about the points deduction it happened, the fact is we still have the same players and manager before that so why are we not climbing out of the bottom ?

You said no top clubs wanted him, I said we are, historically speaking, a top club. I don't think we were in a position to go back for Carlo Ancelotti, or anyone else at the top of the pile, so the board went for someone to keep us up and steady the ship, he's done that and more.

We did climb out of the bottom, with ease! The points he accumulated suggest that we wouldn't/shouldn't be in a relegation fight at this point in the season. You're not going to use financial error from a previous season as a stick to beat Dyche with are you?

While all clubs try to keep clean sheets every game, in reality this doesn’t happen often especially, being a bottom 6/8 team. But to me his sole game plan is to try and not concede. With kept 6 in 20 which is very good to be fair, I think we’d struggle to match that the 2nd of the season. And that’s worry, he has no plan or idea when we go a goal down.

I am not sure he doesn't have an idea, I think what he definitely doesn't have is very many options. We have a decent first 11, that's pretty much it. If we go a goal down he's bringing on players of similar/lower quality than what's on the pitch.

Simples, a good pint, a good curry, 4-4-feckin-2 with a big lad up top and worms.

Our points gained are great but a bad run is inevitable, those seems to last 4-5 games, and we have -10 points to work with too.

I agree with all of that, yes squad size and quality limitations will catch up with us, but the -10 isn't his doing. That's not down to his management. He's pretty much kept his side of the bargain in that we've accumulated enough points to be comfortably safe.

 

[DualityNSNO]

We have the same players and manager so why are we not climbing out of the bottom to make up for the lost points ?

Dunno mate, probably because the source of the lost points* are the players and the manager?

* the one win in 8 or whatever we started with I mean, not the -10 deduction by the FA

 

[DualityNSNO]

I agree with all of that, yes squad size and quality limitations will catch up with us, but the -10 isn't his doing. That's not down to his management. He's pretty much kept his side of the bargain in that we've accumulated enough points to be comfortably safe.

Another run like the first 9 (2W, 1D, 6L) games of the season and we're filling our collective pants with excrement very quickly though, and that will be his doing for a large part.

Re the idea/options - he has a plan A for a game and doesn't change it for 80-odd minutes even if it doesn't work AT ALL, "he has no clue" is almost too accurate. Like last game out, he had options, he picked 3ATB for no reason and we created literally nothing all game - why? Stick to 4-5-1 that won us 4 out of 6 or however many, why would you change it? Oh yeah, Doucoure was out so no one else can play behind the striker in the league, obviously, so we must experiment. Like we did last season for 3 very winnable games, mind, so it's a repeating event that leads to pant-shitting.