2023/24 Sean Dyche

[Carlito]

Surely there's a middle ground in the Sean Dyche debate? It seems like almost every fan is either totally behind him or totally against him.

I think he's done well with the tools at his disposal and the state of the club behind the scenes. Other clubs with troubles off the pitch have collapsed in recent history, like Aston Villa, Newcastle and Leicester. Everton could've done the same, and we may still go down, but we're giving ourselves every opportunity of staying up. The players aren't the most gifted bunch in the world but never once this season have I thought they didn't put a shift in.

But it would also be naive to suggest Dyche doesn't have a glass ceiling, and nobody can seriously deny that Everton are one of the worst sides to watch in the league?

There has to come a time in the near future, not necessarily this Summer, when Everton say thank you and move on. Because like Burnley, this sort of football will only see you right in this league for so long. Look at how badly we've fallen off with Doucoure out.

I think it just depends who Everton could attract to the club, no crazy gambles like a manager that's just had a good few months.

It would be a sign that the club is finally being run properly off the pitch if Dyche was to be replaced at the right time, rather than it being another mid-season scramble following a run of form that's inevitable if you can't keep the ball.

I would like to think it could be this summer, but the prospective new owners hardly inspire confidence.

He may end up being here for years.

 

[blueboy72]

TBH there’s not much point moaning about Dyche. We’ve gone through too many managers recently (certainly hasn’t helped our cash flow when the FSW took £8.5m as a pay off) and we need to back him fully because he’s the best we can get for our predicament
Plus, he can issue instructions until he’s blue in the face but if the players don’t act on them, there not much he can do so late in a game

Like I said excuses. Is this dinosaur really the best we can do, you don’t seriously believe that. Embarrassing how somehow our fans now have just given up on any ambition. The only ambition you obviously have is to survive. And he tells the players to boot it long and play for corners. He’s the manager and he and his team coach the players, theres obviously no patterns of play betting coached, or a different stye or even a plan B, imagine one of them

 

[matty1878]

Like I said excuses. Is this dinosaur really the best we can do, you don’t seriously believe that. Embarrassing how somehow our fans now have just given up on any ambition. The only ambition you obviously have is to survive. And he tells the players to boot it long and play for corners. He’s the manager and he and his team coach the players, theres obviously no patterns of play betting coached, or a different or even a plan B

you don’t look at the overall picture do you?

we know your anti dyche but there’s a reason why he’s here and we are a basket case

 

[blueboy72]

I've not read the entire thread, so I've not seen 'excuses'. I've seen lots of people criticise his subs and his selections, probably fairly on many occasions.
I've seen people say he's the man for where we are now as a club, based on the fact that we're doing well in terms of points on the board compared to previous seasons.
I've also seen fellas who fail to recognise the good job he is doing, because they don't like his football style.
Should we have held out against Brighton? Probably.
Given where we were last season, are we doing better than most of us expected? Probably.
Is he doing on overall good job considering the squad he inherited? Probably.
It's just opinions at the end of the day.

The league is a poor and our best 11 should be around 12th to 14th imo. But because the previous 2 managers did poor jobs, dyche is getting hailed a hero

 

[matty1878]

The league is a poor and our best 11 should be around 12th to 14th imo. But because the previous 2 managers did poor jobs, dyche is getting hailed a hero

no people just see the state of the club

except you

 

[blueboy72]

you don’t look at the overall picture do you?

we know your anti dyche but there’s a reason why he’s here and we are a basket case

I don’t like him, because he shouldn’t be our manager. I’ve been a fan for 50 yrs and 70% of this site seem quite happy to have him around for the next few years and play anti football and finish around 13th/14th.

It's very sad how far we’ve fallen and fans accept it

 

[matty1878]

I don’t like him, because he shouldn’t be our manager. I’ve been a fan for 50 yrs and 70% of this site seem quite happy to have him around for the next few years and play anti football and finish around 13th/14th.

It's very sad how far we’ve fallen and fans accept it

fans are accepting what we are and what we’ve become
we’ve fallen exactly

the clubs a mess

 

[blueboy72]

no people just see the state of the club

except you

Our last board was utterly clueless, thankfully they’ve gone and a new one is hopefully around the corner, so the club can change very quickly. We don’t have to stay the same and just accept mediocre

 

[matty1878]

Our last board was utterly clueless, thankfully they’ve gone and a new one is hopefully around the corner, so the club can change very quickly. We don’t have to stay the same and just accept mediocre

so until then mate.

 

[Mikey O]

Every successful team in the country has started with making themselves difficult to beat and with a few notable exceptions the goals scored typically dry up. The trick is to get the forward players to click - ours haven't done that yet.

Dyche has done (is doing) half the job and given the chaos around the club ownership/management/point deduction then he's the man for the job. Successful teams stick with their manager - it's a novel approach but perhaps it's one we could try.

 

[blueboy72]

fans are accepting what we are and what we’ve become
we’ve fallen exactly

the clubs a mess

But that is changing soon, so when it changes so can the football side of the club. Dyche doesn’t need to be here long and as soon as new owners/board, sporting team is in place he should be moved on

 

[blueboy72]

so until then mate.

Yes dyche will be here till the summer, unless he loses the next 3 and mosiri gets rid, which is very possible
But all things being equal most likely everything will change come the summer and that should include a new manager

 

[blueboy72]

Every successful team in the country has started with making themselves difficult to beat and with a few notable exceptions the goals scored typically dry up. The trick is to get the forward players to click - ours haven't done that yet.

Dyche has done (is doing) half the job and given the chaos around the club ownership/management/point deduction then he's the man for the job. Successful teams stick with their manager - it's a novel approach but perhaps it's one we could try.

He never did the 2nd part in 10yrs at Burnley, what makes you think he’s doing it at Everton

 

[Lobworm]

The league is a poor and our best 11 should be around 12th to 14th imo. But because the previous 2 managers did poor jobs, dyche is getting hailed a hero

So was the league stronger or weaker last season? What makes the league 'poor' this season? It's just a random comment designed to make the manager look worse, imo.

Why should we be finishing in those positions? There is no reason other than a feeling, or hunch. There are no absolutes, except we finished 4th bottom last year, and now we're sitting mid table in terms of points gained.

I think most of us see him as a temporary measure, as every manager should be. If we become boss again and he plays too conservatively, or under performs when we have a few bob, he'll be gone. If he doesn't walk beforehand.

I've not seen, or heard any 'hero' comments. Quite the opposite, really.

 

[Toffeepot]

Dyche has a lot of credit in the bank for me

Fck it im going to give him a bit of credit for that.

I did say that in the message you responded to, but it isn't black and white. He is not immune to some criticism even if he has got some things right. The only game I will get to Goodison for this season(Palace) had me watching DCL win header after header with no runners off him taking a chance, at home. That's shocking to me. If he wants to play that style and make use of Dom that way, there has to be some bravery. You mentioned our away form improving and you're right, but our home form is terrible, both attributable to Dyche's style of play.

He has credit in the bank as we've both said, but we need to be a little less Dyche's Burnley asap