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2023/24 Sean Dyche
- Thread starter Brett Angell Delight
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No they haven’t, they were in as much financial trouble as us at one point, they were on the brink just before being taken over, they got took over by people who have a plan and the finances to back it up, we got took over by the Iranian Vincent Tan, stop making stuff up
StDomingosGringo
Player Valuation: £10m
He’s a pragmatist that prioritises winning.
It’s not always going to be pretty but it does what it says on the tin.
Tarred gravel on toast?
I agree , bobby passing for passings sake , teams seeming to score at will whenever they had a set piece against Silva , lampard team being split open by a simple long ball, koeman not caring etc.
I get it and dyche has made us a lot more solid than any of them. But we should always be looking to improve and I have almost accepted that apart from an FA cup and possible European qualification, I am unlikely to see any “ success” in my life time .
I was to watch decent players playing football in an entertaining way and dyche ball is very hard to watch
Haydn
Player Valuation: £10m
True enough, but their credit card wasn’t maxed out, debit card swallowed by the cash machine two seasons ago and Paypal pay in 3 facility withdrawn, when the office milk bill didn’t get paid.
Only Doug and Dinsdale Piranha willing to lend money, at extortionate rates, to keep the club (barely) afloat.
It’s the manager’s fault we’re garbage ‘tho ?
I agree
I still think he is the right man for a tough job and it's worth grinning and baring it for another while. He still has credit in the bank for me even if a lot of his methods annoy me. A lot of other managers would've thrown their toys out with what he's put up with tbf
Besides 5 1-0 wins on the bounce at home is both ugly and a thing of beauty
For the first time in a while I'm hearing other fans call Everton away a tough game. That's worth something
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Mostly I agree mate, sometimes the way we set up and play it doesn't frustrate me, just sometimes the execution does though.
Few examples, Arsenal away, United at home - we finish the chances we had v united it goes down as a very enjoyable game - we don't and the obvious happens, Arsenal we simply hit robbed by a woeful ref, the home derby, o e of the most enjoyable games in a long time - because we executed well at the top end. Chelsea at home another of those.
Even some of the performances early season we lost or drew - if we finish a host of sitters we win comfortably using a tactic that exposed the opponents weaknesses to the counter etc.
So if we could finish even averagely we likely finish top 9 last season.
The issue is though he sets that way up against absolutely everyone no matter who they are or how they play. He's loathe to make any changes before 70 - usually 80 minutes in unless injuries, and very rarely changes the shape in a game - even when patently it's not working or someone's having an utter mare out there.
Is that because he doesn't have the options or he worries the players will if changing style or system will lose the cohesion and drilling needed to go and play like that say in the derby etc, I'm unsure, I lean towards it's just Dyche and he's a limited although effective one coach system of play.
Hope I'm wrong because having the plus points of a Dyche side who can then develop into playing more front foot footy when needed would be a great combination, but I doubt I am, it's why ultimately Dyche isn't an elite manager - the ones who are adaptable are.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
In the end I see Dyche as very much on a similar level to Moyes as a coach, both have their ceiling, both have very obvious strengths but undermined by adherence to what those strengths are as coaches even when they need to do something different.
Take Moyes, ten years of going away to any sky six side and playing the exact same way, even though it literally NEVER worked at any period of time. It was almost like a defeat without getting hammered so keeping morale for the next game was worth more than going for a result and risking a beating which would then impact morale for the next 'winnable' match.
Take Moyes, ten years of going away to any sky six side and playing the exact same way, even though it literally NEVER worked at any period of time. It was almost like a defeat without getting hammered so keeping morale for the next game was worth more than going for a result and risking a beating which would then impact morale for the next 'winnable' match.
W84 Dum Freeze
Player Valuation: £1m
The Spanish national team could adapt in the Euro's tactically because they had the players to do so, but also, all were geared to play as a team and knew their job on the field.
Their players had the chances and the confidence to finish them. They were still lucky to get past the Germans and with the players who hit the ground running coming in for those injured.
An enjoyable team to watch with various styles of play which is down to a good manager getting the best from his resources.
Let's hope Sean was taking notes.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
I often wonder how influenced the likes of Moyes and Dyche were by watching Clough manage, Clough teams demanded that intensity and leaving everything out there attitude, they played defensively on the counter a kit even v inferior teams and at home.
But they missed the nuances that Clough trusted his CBs, had overlapping fullbacks and they countered on the ground or long switching cross field balls, still remember the rumour that he fined players besides the keeper who punted it long in training (may be an old wives tail), so they get the idea behind Clough ball, but miss the thing that actually made it work so effectively.
But they missed the nuances that Clough trusted his CBs, had overlapping fullbacks and they countered on the ground or long switching cross field balls, still remember the rumour that he fined players besides the keeper who punted it long in training (may be an old wives tail), so they get the idea behind Clough ball, but miss the thing that actually made it work so effectively.
bluestevon
Player Valuation: £80m
Thing is, I look at the side we have, unless we go to a back three we simply don't have the fullbacks to play more proactive, we don't have the wingers to play a true counter attack game which doesn't involve a punt up top and rush.
Is that cos Dyche doesn't want that he's happy with how it is, or is it due to resources. Nobody truly knows for sure.
But say he had the Babies, Coleman version that Moyes had, with the CBs we have would be still being sitting in a low block with the fullbacks instructed to hold their positions and never get forward....
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