2023/24 Sean Dyche

[Neiler]

Errrrr, results maybe?
1 goal at home maybe?
8 Goals at home since he took over?
4 defeats on the bounce at home for the first time in our history?
Worst win percentage of any Everton manager?
Havent scored twice at home since he's been manager?
He is a relegation fodder manager?
His CV is garbage?
2nd half of games we resort to hoof ball?


Maybe thats not enough for you but 99% of the fan base it is.

I honestly don’t think 99% of supporters are hoping he’s sacked to be honest mate.

I know it’s Lord of the flies in here this week, but was very quiet last week, when he’d got good results.

TBH the lads I’d listen to hear on here as decent judges of the game, would take up the positivism of we’ve been driven into the ground and any manager is going to need time to recover.

 

[Neiler]

@Neiler what makes you think he can turn this around? An don’t say xg

XG lol

 

[siddharth]

Dyche should also not be allowed to say the 'before I got here' argument when after a reshuffle at least 5 out of the 11 first-team numbers were either ex-players or were signed under your watch and this from a manager famous for fielding a team with numbers 1 to 11 in his last job.

 

[Carlito]

I honestly don’t think 99% of supporters are hoping he’s sacked to be honest mate.

I know it’s Lord of the flies in here this week, but was very quiet last week, when he’d got good results.

TBH the lads I’d listen to hear on here as decent judges of the game, would take up the positivism of we’ve been driven into the ground and any manager is going to need time to recover.

I would be amazed if you could find a single match-going fan who is optimistic about the club's prospects under Dyche.

His presence here alone is an admission of failure.

 

[Neiler]

@Neiler what makes you think he can turn this around? An don’t say xg

Just kidding.

I think the footballing dept has been driven into the ground. We’ve sold two excellent players in Richarlison and Gordon and replaced them with young prospects, loans, frees, aging players to bridge. I think we were the worst side to stay in the PL last year.

Speaking to Leeds and Leicester fans I know they say the difference was we got to Dyche first - we know what they both did with recruitment - a sacking can don’t more damage then us. He has that pedigree, he kept Burnley up more then not in this league, like it or not that’s wee Everton are right now.

By keeping us up without a striker and laterally full backs he’s earned collateral to me, I think he’s trying to achieve something, there is a plan and I think that needs time and development. Secondly the team needs foundation our recruitment has always tried to put a roof on a house, with no foundations, I see him trying to balance the house now restrospectively, he knows what it needs. The players are also playing for him that’s huge.

Lastly the club needs stability. The profile of the club in the Jacks, and no manager worth having is coming here. Building back stability and incremental profile and looking like a skip fire, will allow us attract better and better. The club needs stability holistically above anything else.

 

[DualityNSNO]

He has that pedigree, he kept Burnley up more then not in this league, like it or not that’s wee Everton are right now.

But again, "more often than not", because he did in fact also relegate them lol

On your other points about image and all - you're right, but we're spearheading towards the Championship or relegation fight after relegation fight as the "best" case scenario, which will ruin our image even further. Who wants to join the perennial relegation candidates?

 

[nsno-chris]

Just kidding.

I think the footballing dept has been driven into the ground. We’ve sold two excellent players in Richarlison and Gordon and replaced them with young prospects, loans, frees, aging players to bridge. I think we were the worst side to stay in the PL last year.

Speaking to Leeds and Leicester fans I know they say the difference was we got to Dyche first - we know what they both did with recruitment - a sacking can don’t more damage then us. He has that pedigree, he kept Burnley up more then not in this league, like it or not that’s wee Everton are right now.

By keeping us up without a striker and laterally full backs he’s earned collateral to me, I think he’s trying to achieve something, there is a plan and I think that needs time and development. Secondly the team needs foundation our recruitment has always tried to put a roof on a house, with no foundations, I see him trying to balance the house now restrospectively, he knows what it needs. The players are also playing for him that’s huge.

Lastly the club needs stability. The profile of the club in the Jacks, and no manager worth having is coming here. Building back stability and incremental profile and looking like a skip fire, will allow us attract better and better. The club needs stability holistically above anything else.

We’re not Burnley

 

[coleman=quality]

@Neiler what makes you think he can turn this around? An don’t say xg

Please no one else mention Xg means nothing any chance we can ban it and make it a swear word/inappropriate behaviour as it massively offends me.

 

[Neiler]

But again, "more often than not", because he did in fact also relegate them lol

On your other points about image and all - you're right, but we're spearheading towards the Championship or relegation fight after relegation fight as the "best" case scenario, which will ruin our image even further. Who wants to join the perennial relegation candidates?

He did a great job at Burnley mate, let’s be honest. Bad managers don’t do what he achieved there. He built a club at Burnley mate, very few managers do that or are capable of it these days. We need that here.

Like last Jan and up to toward the summer we couldn’t attract a player, if we’re dealing in realism, no player or manager worth having, will want to join us - so you’re punting.

Part of our problem has been we’ve changed managers every 6 months for nearly 6/7 years and it’s gotten us here, this is what lads wanting Dyche out want, to continue that self defeating cycle, it makes no sense to me. Why will it work this time, with our stock at its lowest.

It’s why say the club needs stability, it needs recovery, even if that’s just about staying up - it needs that stability and the outward projection we’re not a skip fire and you can develop and improve a career here.

 

[siddharth]

Just kidding.

I think the footballing dept has been driven into the ground. We’ve sold two excellent players in Richarlison and Gordon and replaced them with young prospects, loans, frees, aging players to bridge. I think we were the worst side to stay in the PL last year.

Speaking to Leeds and Leicester fans I know they say the difference was we got to Dyche first - we know what they both did with recruitment - a sacking can don’t more damage then us. He has that pedigree, he kept Burnley up more then not in this league, like it or not that’s wee Everton are right now.

By keeping us up without a striker and laterally full backs he’s earned collateral to me, I think he’s trying to achieve something, there is a plan and I think that needs time and development. Secondly the team needs foundation our recruitment has always tried to put a roof on a house, with no foundations, I see him trying to balance the house now restrospectively, he knows what it needs. The players are also playing for him that’s huge.

Lastly the club needs stability. The profile of the club in the Jacks, and no manager worth having is coming here. Building back stability and incremental profile and looking like a skip fire, will allow us attract better and better. The club needs stability holistically above anything else.

I understand your argument about keeping us up last year, but honest-to-goodness glosses over a lot of his actual issues which started almost immediately. His persistence with Keane, the absolute panic and onfield experimentation served up during Doucoure's red card, the absence of Mina and Coady in the team, his treatment of Pickford Captaincy (Contract), his treatment of Iwobi (Out of position and compare with treatment of Garner now) and Gray (New International) and finally that terrible terrible preseason planning. He continued to tell us that there was quality in the squad last year and we are arguably better this year. He has been changing the story with mostly misdirection and painting himself as the protagonist who saved us, we should have been safe before that final game and truth is fans carried the brunt of that relegation fight. It will/should not be the same this year. edit- I don't think this is stability, it is more uncertainty and disequilibrium.

 

[DualityNSNO]

He did a great job at Burnley mate, let’s be honest. Bad managers don’t do what he achieved there. He built a club at Burnley mate, very few managers do that or are capable of it these days. We need that here.

Like last Jan and up to toward the summer we couldn’t attract a player, if we’re dealing in realism, no player or manager worth having, will want to join us - so you’re punting.

Part of our problem has been we’ve changed managers every 6 months for nearly 6/7 years and it’s gotten us here, this is what lads wanting Dyche want, to continue that self defeating cycle. Why will it work this time, with our stock at its lowest.

It’s why say the club needs stability, it needs recovery, even if that’s just about staying up - it needs that stability and the outward projection we’re not a skip fire and you can develop and improve a career here.

He did a good job at Burnley... for a club like Burnley. We are not a club like Burnley - his atrocious mismanagement of every asset because he's stuck in time 40 years ago will cost us while he's at the helm.

Relegation = doom and his entire shtick is to win the relegation fight, from GAME ONE of the season. Which is where we'll be with him.

 

[Neiler]

I understand your argument about keeping us up last year, but honest-to-goodness glosses over a lot of his actual issues which started almost immediately. His persistence with Keane, the absolute panic and onfield experimentation served up during Doucoure's red card, the absence of Mina and Coady in the team, his treatment of Pickford Captaincy (Contract), his treatment of Iwobi (Out of position and compare with treatment of Garner now) and Gray (New International) and finally that terrible terrible preseason planning. He continued to tell us that there was quality in the squad last year and we are arguably better this year. He has been changing the story with mostly misdirection and painting himself as the protagonist who saved us, we should have been safe before that final game and truth is fans carried the brunt of that relegation fight. It will/should not be the same this year. edit- I don't think this is stability, it is more uncertainty and disequilibrium.

I actually hope, he mistreats a few mate, a few here have had too easy for too long, a rocket or a bit of adversity so often won’t do any of them any harm.

Personally I think we were the worst team, certainly one off to stay up. T be honest I thought Leicester and Leeds had far better players then we did last season.

I can’t believe we stayed up to be honest and I think we were blessed we did.

 

[Goat]

I actually hope, he mistreats a few mate, a few here have had too easy for too long, a rocket or a big of adversity so often won’t do any of them any harm.

Personally I think we were the worst team, certainly one off to stay up. T be honest I thought Leicester and Leeds had far better players then we did last season.

I can’t believe we stayed up to be honest and I think we were blessed we did.

This is what happens when you drink Bills Kool Aid lads and ladies.

Do not drink it straight from the tap like this fella.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I actually hope, he mistreats a few mate, a few here have had too easy for too long, a rocket or a big of adversity so often won’t do any of them any harm.

Personally I think we were the worst team, certainly one off to stay up. T be honest I thought Leicester and Leeds had far better players then we did last season.

I can’t believe we stayed up to be honest and I think we were blessed we did.

Casually ignoring 99% of the post and the point of it isn't a good look mate, just saying.

 

[Neiler]

He did a good job at Burnley... for a club like Burnley. We are not a club like Burnley - his atrocious mismanagement of every asset because he's stuck in time 40 years ago will cost us while he's at the helm.

Relegation = doom and his entire shtick is to win the relegation fight, from GAME ONE of the season. Which is where we'll be with him.

Like it or not mate. We’re at Burnleys level for the next couple of years as we try and recover - that’s a process not an event. In my exile fence when trying to bring about positive change or a change in culture or identity in building, it often gets worse before it get better - but if you stick with it does.

I don’t blame anyone calling for him to be sacked, it’s the natural and obvious thing to cope and supporters owe Everton nothing. I just don’t personally think it’s the right thing, in fact I think it would be very damaging and I think there is a fair chance we go down if we do it.

That’s my personal take.