2023/24 Sean Dyche

[JLW]

I honestly don’t think 99% of supporters are hoping he’s sacked to be honest mate.

I know it’s Lord of the flies in here this week, but was very quiet last week, when he’d got good results.

TBH the lads I’d listen to hear on here as decent judges of the game, would take up the positivism of we’ve been driven into the ground and any manager is going to need time to recover.

I agree with that, but there is zero evidence that this guy is the man to do it, in fact there's bundles of evidence that he is not the man to do it.
I would get behind him or any manager if there was something on their CV or in front of my eyes that said over time he will get it right but there just isnt mate.

Apart from Doucoure who managed a few goals since he's been here, i would argue that almost everyone has stagnated, now in 10 months we should at least be seeing something.

Many of us could take the Luton defeat if we had even got 4 points from the Wolves Fulham games and called it as a bad day.
I also didnt like the approach against Arsenal who weve beat many times recently at home, we basically kicked off got ourselves into a corner with our guard up waiting to be knocked out, at the emirates ok but at goodison am not having that.

His first thought of any game is must not lose but when it doesnt go our way he has no answers to getting back in the game apart from hoofball

 

[DualityNSNO]

Like it or not mate. We’re at Big rnleyd pevel for the next couple of years as we try and recover - that’s a process not an event. In my exile fence when trying to bring about positive change or a change in culture or identity in building, it often gets worse before it get better - but if you stick with it does.

I don’t blame anyone calling for him to be sacked, it’s the natural and obvious thing to cope and supporters owe Everton nothing. I just don’t personally think it’s the right thing, in fact I think it would be very damaging and I think there is a fair chance we go down if we do it.

That’s my personal take.

It's a process and we're not at Burnley's level - but we will be with Dyche.

He's an expert in getting relegated and putting himself in a relegation fight. When he had the chance to buy players at Burnley he bought the most turd ones imaginable and played horrible football.

We hired him to save us, he barely did but he nearly effed it up himself by having no idea how to actually manage a team, in the summer proceeded to buy players he has no idea how to use effectively and now we're losing at home to Luton.

People are calling for him to be sacked because he has genuinely no clue how to be a manager. Fantastic fitness coach though, he'd do well in that role for sure!

 

[Neiler]

I agree with that, but there is zero evidence that this guy is the man to do it, in fact there's bundles of evidence that he is not the man to do it.
I would get behind him or any manager if there was something on their CV or in front of my eyes that said over time he will get it right but there just isnt mate.

Apart from Doucoure who managed a few goals since he's been here, i would argue that almost everyone has stagnated, now in 10 months we should at least be seeing something.

Many of us could take the Luton defeat if we had even got 4 points from the Wolves Fulham games and called it as a bad day.
I also didnt like the approach against Arsenal who weve beat many times recently at home, we basically kicked off got ourselves into a corner with our guard up waiting to be knocked out, at the emirates ok but at goodison am not having that.

His first thought of any game is must not lose but when it doesnt go our way he has no answers to getting back in the game apart from hoofball

I mean we played what 6 games with Beto and DCL this season, we have two draws, two wins and two defeats. I think a fair man myself included, sees how this plays out with this squad available. I never expected instant results to be honest, I’d like six or 7 points at the point as a minimum. But I also knew it was a big job of work.

I actually think he’s not pragmatic enough, especially at home, far to expansive and leaving us open. I’d be critical of him in that score and think he’s been influenced by the whole big club thing, his profile and another Allardyche thing.

 

[pfim]

I understand your argument about keeping us up last year, but honest-to-goodness glosses over a lot of his actual issues which started almost immediately. His persistence with Keane, the absolute panic and onfield experimentation served up during Doucoure's red card, the absence of Mina and Coady in the team, his treatment of Pickford Captaincy (Contract), his treatment of Iwobi (Out of position and compare with treatment of Garner now) and Gray (New International) and finally that terrible terrible preseason planning. He continued to tell us that there was quality in the squad last year and we are arguably better this year. He has been changing the story with mostly misdirection and painting himself as the protagonist who saved us, we should have been safe before that final game and truth is fans carried the brunt of that relegation fight. It will/should not be the same this year. edit- I don't think this is stability, it is more uncertainty and disequilibrium.

In defense of Dyche: Coady and Gray suck, Mina made it clear he was leaving, and he got exactly what he wanted out of Iwobi.

He has provided more direction than the club had under the prior two manager. None of that matters though if you don't get the results.

 

[siddharth]

I actually hope, he mistreats a few mate, a few here have had too easy for too long, a rocket or a big of adversity so often won’t do any of them any harm.

Personally I think we were the worst team, certainly one off to stay up. T be honest I thought Leicester and Leeds had far better players then we did last season.

I can’t believe we stayed up to be honest and I think we were blessed we did.

We were not as terrible as we are mismanaged on the pitch as well. Well, I am not a fan of personal vendettas being played in a professional setting. If there are people who do misbehave or have reputation, their due punishment is well deserved. But who are these 'few' you are talking about? We are not talking about people who have committed serious crimes like other clubs here, you can't punish people for having a different opinion from you. See Pickers was offered a vice-captaincy during his contract negotiations and taken off almost immediately for a manager favorite, gray (was infamous for wearing a lot of layers) improved his defending and played striker when asked last year, and Garner gets the privilege of reorganizing an entire midfield after the season started which was not afforded to Iwobi. These aren't professional nor motivating actions. Also, consider Holgate v Haaland and Pickford v Kalajdzic were both blamed for a Tarkowski mistake.

 

[Neiler]

It's a process and we're not at Burnley's level - but we will be with Dyche.

He's an expert in getting relegated and putting himself in a relegation fight. When he had the chance to buy players at Burnley he bought the most turd ones imaginable and played horrible football.

We hired him to save us, he barely did but he nearly effed it up himself by having no idea how to actually manage a team, in the summer proceeded to buy players he has no idea how to use effectively and now we're losing at home to Luton.

People are calling for him to be sacked because he has genuinely no clue how to be a manager. Fantastic fitness coach though, he'd do well in that role for sure!

I think we are mate. The bottom 10 our rivals for the next couple of years in my opinion. In fact most clubs down there have more resources then us now. What other manager prob bar Luton or Sheff Utd could we go to and poach like we used to - can’t think of one, because our profile is a skip fire.

He was relegated once with Burnley, in their first season in the PL, the club was wasn’t ready for it, let’s be honest, but when he built more .....it was. He did an incredible job there.

I think the team is still for,I got myself, there’s new players coming and joining each week, I think it’s dtill for,I got.

Let’s see, I think he gets 18 games.

 

[DualityNSNO]

I think we are mate. The bottom 10 our rivals for the next couple of years in my opinion. In fact most clubs down there have more resources then us now. What other manager prob bar Luton or Sheff Utd could we go to and poach like we used to - can’t think of one, because our profile is a skip fire.

He was relegated once with Burnley, in their first season in the PL, the club was wasn’t ready for it, let’s be honest, but when he built more .....it was. He did an incredible job there.

I think the team is still for,I got myself, there’s new players coming and joining each week, I think it’s dtill for,I got.

Let’s see, I think he gets 18 games.

He was relegated twice, he got fired because he'd won 4 games all season, 1 (his last one) against spineless Everton.

Prepare for relegation - get relegation. He's preparing from relegation before the season starts.

That's all, I'm bored of going in circles, all a bit Lampardian of you with this - glad you think he can do no wrong, he's done everything wrong so far, we barely beat the worst side in professional football and looked absolutely lost for a full half against them.

Then we repeated that 3 more times.

 

[MrGrumpy]

Just kidding.

I think the footballing dept has been driven into the ground. We’ve sold two excellent players in Richarlison and Gordon and replaced them with young prospects, loans, frees, aging players to bridge. I think we were the worst side to stay in the PL last year.

Speaking to Leeds and Leicester fans I know they say the difference was we got to Dyche first - we know what they both did with recruitment - a sacking can don’t more damage then us. He has that pedigree, he kept Burnley up more then not in this league, like it or not that’s wee Everton are right now.

By keeping us up without a striker and laterally full backs he’s earned collateral to me, I think he’s trying to achieve something, there is a plan and I think that needs time and development. Secondly the team needs foundation our recruitment has always tried to put a roof on a house, with no foundations, I see him trying to balance the house now restrospectively, he knows what it needs. The players are also playing for him that’s huge.

Lastly the club needs stability. The profile of the club in the Jacks, and no manager worth having is coming here. Building back stability and incremental profile and looking like a skip fire, will allow us attract better and better. The club needs stability holistically above anything else.

Okay he kept us up, the caveat to that is Leicester completely self imploded and that’s what kept us up. We beat Bournemouth JUST on the last day, they had been on the ale all week and were not bothered.
The style of football is just awful and as EVERY manager we seem to have they refuse to play players in the correct positions.
I don’t see this improving in fact I see it getting worse an I can see DCL putting a transfer request in on Jan.
Bringing in a Potter type who instantly improves the style will help keep players

 

[siddharth]

In defense of Dyche: Coady and Gray suck, Mina made it clear he was leaving, and he got exactly what he wanted out of Iwobi.

He has provided more direction than the club had under the prior two manager. None of that matters though if you don't get the results.

Again, it is a matter of opinion, Gray has provided some pre-assists for some important goals that season and had acted reasonbly professional by improving his defensive game. It is not his individual fault the club changed managers, do you understand the argument here. Coady made 1 mistake compared to Keane's many, he played Mina (was still contracted and informed at the end of the season) only after the fans got on his back. My only argument is he is not absolved of a lot of blame for our continued mismanagement. I am glad he is bringing some direction to our club, but it is difficult to discern the reality of the situation because of his other compulsive behaviours.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Okay he kept us up, the caveat to that is Leicester completely self imploded and that’s what kept us up. We beat Bournemouth JUST on the last day, they had been on the ale all week and were not bothered.
The style of football is just awful and as EVERY manager we seem to have they refuse to play players in the correct positions.
I don’t see this improving in fact I see it getting worse an I can see DCL putting a transfer request in on Jan.
Bringing in a Potter type who instantly improves the style will help keep players

Can you imagine if in the run-in for the relegation fight we had to play either a team with no manager or the direct relegation candidates, with both games at home?

How fantastic would it be, should be somewhat easy points, we'll be clear of relegation surely!

Oh yeah except managerless (and Mitrovic-less) Fulham pumped us from the start while we finished 2:2 with Leicester courtesy of them hitting the bar.

 

[granter79]

I agree with that, but there is zero evidence that this guy is the man to do it, in fact there's bundles of evidence that he is not the man to do it.
I would get behind him or any manager if there was something on their CV or in front of my eyes that said over time he will get it right but there just isnt mate.

Apart from Doucoure who managed a few goals since he's been here, i would argue that almost everyone has stagnated, now in 10 months we should at least be seeing something.

Many of us could take the Luton defeat if we had even got 4 points from the Wolves Fulham games and called it as a bad day.
I also didnt like the approach against Arsenal who weve beat many times recently at home, we basically kicked off got ourselves into a corner with our guard up waiting to be knocked out, at the emirates ok but at goodison am not having that.

His first thought of any game is must not lose but when it doesnt go our way he has no answers to getting back in the game apart from hoofball

100% THIS. Needs to pick the team for Saturday to go out to win (meaning 2 proper wingers and Gana on the bench). Soon as we seen the team Saturday its was only going one way.

He had built up some credibility with me last week which disappeared at 2pm Saturday when I seen him revert to same old.

 

[Neiler]

He was relegated twice, he got fired because he'd won 4 games all season, 1 (his last one) against spineless Everton.

Prepare for relegation - get relegation. He's preparing from relegation before the season starts.

That's all, I'm bored of going in circles, all a bit Lampardian of you with this - glad you think he can do no wrong, he's done everything wrong so far, we barely beat the worst side in professional football and looked absolutely lost for a full half against them.

Then we repeated that 3 more times.

Was relegated once I think mate.

You may think I’m being Lampardian, but I think you want to go and mate the same mistake we’ve made almost every six months for almost 6 years that has got the club to this pass, you don’t see the tren and the damage we do.

Agreed it’s a circular argue,entirely, we’ve both made our respective points. As I say I disagree, but I understand were lads are do,I go from after the years we’ve had , I just don’t think it’s the right thing for the club.

The club now needs paitince and sustainability.

 

[DualityNSNO]

Was relegated once I think mate.

You may think I’m being Lampardian, but I think you want to go and mate the same mistake we’ve made almost every six months for almost 6 years that has got the club to this pass, you don’t see the tren and the damage we do.

Agreed it’s a circular argue,entirely, we’ve both made our respective points. As I say I disagree, but I understand were lads are do,I go from after the years we’ve had , I just don’t think it’s the right thing for the club.

The club now needs paitince and sustainability.

Right the manager who achieved 4 wins in 32 isn't at fault for relegation, OK lol

We need patience and the right man for the job - Dyche is not.

Saying it for the 59999999999999 times - 20something years ago we hired a nobody with a solid plan to build and it was better than relegation experts. Seeing as we're going down either way and we're essentially doomed, I'd go with the guy who I'd prefer to be here in a few months, not Dyche.

Also Saturday it's the same team as vs. Luton and you all know it, favourites HAVE to play.

I'm gonna go a step further and predict Keane back in for Branthwaite for some reason too.

 

[Swartzy]

Someone start a petition so that the PL ignore actual points and base the league on xG this year.

Currently only a point behind Liverpool.

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That does look good m8!

But apart from that graph can someone also ask that this new trend in XG just disapear, it's non stop and bloody killing me..

Who cares about XG, I CARE ABOUT GOALS

 

[RomanReigns]

There are a few clubs lining up to sign Doucoure on a free for next season

He should play McNeil in that position for the foreseeable with danjuma out wide