2024/25 Sean Dyche

Drico said:
Let's accept, firstly, that last season's start was unacceptable. It's no barometer of respectability or reassurance.

I am with you on the "Hopefully" bit. But Dyche is here to ensure safety - not "hopefully" attain it. There is no other reason to employ him other than because he ensures safety. A few more defeats and that hope will recede. Then, keeping him will no longer be seen as the "stability" option.

The problems at this club lie in the empty boardroom. But I won't bat for Dyche anymore. He has underperformed so far this season. He has few cards to play - but he has played them abysmally. And he keeps playing his jokers Keane and Young.

He'll be gone by the takeover at the latest. Knowing our luck, that'll be 2027 then.
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He’s kept us up the two seasons he’s been here under much more difficult circumstances but 5 games is enough to conclude he won’t this season?

No bottom half team can ensure safety. If they could they’d be a top half team, by definition most of them will go through bad form at some point which has fans questioning will they go down. The season is 38 games long for a reason though. Do I think we’re one of the three worst teams from what I’ve seen even in the games we’ve lost? No.
 
blueboy72 said:
Your ambition is not even on the floor mate, is I bet the floor, you sound like a young football fan, who doesn’t support Everton and see’s us along side the like of palace, Brentford and Bournemouth etc. and think that we fight relegation every year, where’s your standards for Everton football club?

Thankfully there’s still some Everton fans around who expect better. I kept reading from the dyche apologists last season that it was a championship squad, well we finished 13th, this in not one of worst 3 squads, that’s a ridiculous thing to say. And how many games do you think we should win in 27? Wining 5 is a sackable offence. He’d have got sacked at every other club
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It's not about ambition, it's looking at what we have compared with what everyone else has and I see one of the three worst squads in the league. You disagree, which is fine and what this place is all about. What has "Everton Football Club" got to do with winning Football matches? It means nothing (and, evidently, hasn't meant anything to those in charge for some time).

It's 11 mediocre Footballers from all 4 corners of the globe, with no real affiliation to the club or the fans, wearing blue shirts for 90 minutes. That's what I see currently. At full time, I don't see any of them broken in the way many blues are. Their weekends are seldom ruined. It never used to be like that.
 

I smile when I read on here that Sean Dyche saves teams from relegation, saves us from relegation. He was relegated with Burnley, no one has been relegated with us for a lifetime. Look at his record in the Premier League, he is a bottom half manager, usually the bottom half of the bottom half. This is because he can’t win enough games. I don’t look on a manager who constantly finishes in 17th, 16th or 15th position as a miracle worker and some sort of relegation specialist, I see him as a poor footballer manager. He isn’t as good as the person finishing 10th 9th or 8th. I do agree with Davek on his point, stability is important, we did go a bit crazy hiring and firing managers and wasting money letting them start to build a squad only to sack them. I wasn’t a fan of Sean Dyche being appointed, I seen his appointment as a lack of any ambition and the imposition of a playing style alien to Everton. If I was to be asked who is the best manager currently in the Premier League at stopping his team being relegated my answer would not be Sean Dyche, it would be Pep, his teams win enough times that relegation isn’t a consideration. I haven’t taken leave of my senses, I know we are not going to attract a person of his standing but surely we can do better than Sean Dyche, I urge everyone to look at his record in the Premier League. As I have said, stability is important, but look a the nature of the stability Sean Dyche brings, is avoiding relegation in the final weeks of the season stability, is not knowing if your next season is going to be in your current league or the one below it stability.
I don’t know what is going on within the club, none of us do, I can only surmise that the power brokers cannot attract a better candidate than Sean Dyche, or they cannot afford £5 million to get rid of him or worst of all that they are content with 17th place and that is the sum of our ambition.
Tomorrow and Tuesday I am on an interviewing panel for prospective employees, if any of the candidates have a record of achievement equal to Sean Dyche’s then they won’t be getting a job, I am expecting something better.
 
davek said:
I take note of ALL data. For that reason I see Dyche as the one who keeps us free from relegation given his record so far. I also remember the turmoil we were in before he arrived with a revolving managerial door that brought instability.

In short, I'm in favour of:

1/ not getting relegated

2/ stability.

When you and others are still pissing your kecks about us not losing yesterday, frustrating your plans of installing a new manager (pie in the 'kin sky btw, because he won't be getting sacked and paid up anytime soon with 9 months left on his contract), I see that as a positive sign that we're getting more focused and picking up the points we should have secured thus far this season. (We made a similar bad start last season and ended up winning 48 points.)

The more you and your fellow manager haters are whining the better it'll be for the rest of us, because it'll mean were picking up points.
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It's sad to see someone of your reputation going full "Kenwright" here @davek

The performance level at the club is unacceptable

As laid out below.

Damo_1878 said:
I hope you're taking note @davek ... "the Kenwright effect"

4 defeats and 1 draw is totally unacceptable and inexcusable

My standards haven't dropped @davek

I'm as much annoyed by Dyche's stupid "last season" comments and Thelwell going on about Dele Alli 🙄

Shambolic stuff from both of them

Both need to pull their fingers out @davek 😡
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Saint Domingo said:
He’s kept us up the two seasons he’s been here under much more difficult circumstances but 5 games is enough to conclude he won’t this season.

No bottom half team can ensure safety. If they could they’d be a top half team, by definition most of them will go through bad form at some point which has fans questioning will they go down. The season is 38 games long for a reason though. Do I think we’re one of the three worst teams from what I’ve seen even in the games we’ve lost? No.
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The first five games are enough to conclude that he has massively underperformed so far this season and he is incapable of growing in the job into something more that a desperate firefighter. The first five games have made it more likely that we will be relegated - not less.

Would I sack him? No. Not yet. Would I defend him? Not for a moment. He has had a terrible hand to play thanks to the mismanagement of the club, but he has played it appallingly. The idea that he was a safe pair of hands - which I subscribed to - has been undermined.

Dyche is a symptom of the grotesque misamanagement of the club - a by-product of the malaise that afflicts us. He is to be endured. But then, so is relegation if that is what the outcome of all of this will be. At this point, until the ownership changes, nothing else likely will. Dyche is almost incidental to that - but I'll not go out to bat for him anymore. He was part of the temporary solution. Now, he is part of the problem.
 
nsno-chris said:
No surprise that those wanting us to be relegated under Dyche are the same sellouts that wanted us relegated under the Fat Kopite

Such a shame that they can walk amongst us
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Remember when you tried to make a thread to list the Benitez 8 but tagged all the wrong people because you couldn’t even list 8 names correctly. Good times.

I know you’re still sore that Dyche made you look wrong on the internet after you gleefully told anyone who would listen we were going down in 22/23 and that you’d predicted it as far back as August.

To go two for two you then spent all last season saying how Luton were a much better team than us and getting giddy every time they won.

There’s only one person on this forum that seems to find happiness in Everton being relegated.

When we’re in a new stadium under new ownership in the PL with a new manager taking over a better squad you can thank Dyche for having more conviction and resolution than you do.
 
GambianToffee said:
It's not about ambition, it's looking at what we have compared with what everyone else has and I see one of the three worst squads in the league. You disagree, which is fine and what this place is all about. What has "Everton Football Club" got to do with winning Football matches? It means nothing (and, evidently, hasn't meant anything to those in charge for some time).

It's 11 mediocre Footballers from all 4 corners of the globe, with no real affiliation to the club or the fans, wearing blue shirts for 90 minutes. That's what I see currently. At full time, I don't see any of them broken in the way many blues are. Their weekends are seldom ruined. It never used to be like that.
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And it is the job of the manager to galvanise those diverse personalities into a team and to find a playing style which best suits them, Sean Dyche is doing neither of these things. Furthermore Sean Dyche has be in charge when many of those players have come in, your post concisely explains why he isn’t very good at managing a football team.
 

Saint Domingo said:
Remember when you tried to make a thread to list the Benitez 8 but tagged all the wrong people because you couldn’t even list 8 names correctly. Good times.

I know you’re still sore that Dyche made you look wrong on the internet after you gleefully told anyone who would listen we were going down in 22/23 and that you’d predicted it as far back as August.

To go two for two you then spent all last season saying how Luton were a much better team than us and getting giddy every time they won.

There’s only one person on this forum that seems to find happiness in Everton being relegated.

When we’re in a new stadium under new ownership in the PL with a new manager taking over a better squad you can thank Dyche for having more conviction and resolution than you do.
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He remembers Everton in the 80s mate. He is out his back garden shouting NSNO into the wind
 
GambianToffee said:
It's not about ambition, it's looking at what we have compared with what everyone else has and I see one of the three worst squads in the league. You disagree, which is fine and what this place is all about. What has "Everton Football Club" got to do with winning Football matches? It means nothing (and, evidently, hasn't meant anything to those in charge for some time).

It's 11 mediocre Footballers from all 4 corners of the globe, with no real affiliation to the club or the fans, wearing blue shirts for 90 minutes. That's what I see currently. At full time, I don't see any of them broken in the way many blues are. Their weekends are seldom ruined. It never used to be like that.
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You can't honestly think we have a worse squad than any of the 3 promoted squads? I find it shocking that anyone could think that.

Yes those sides will come into the season with more momentum than us. But we certainly have better players than all 3 that surely can't be disputed
 
Caolam said:
And it is the job of the manager to galvanise those diverse personalities into a team and to find a playing style which best suits them, Sean Dyche is doing neither of these things. Furthermore Sean Dyche has be in charge when many of those players have come in, your post concisely explains why he isn’t very good at managing a football team.
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Ask yourself this, if he was to go, is it possible that we hire a manager that performs worse than Dyche across a 38 game season?

Bearing in mind, at the end of last season (and even in the early parts of this season) most of Dyche biggest critics would have acknowledged he deserved credit for our league finish.

So, what we're now saying is that that conclusion was so fragile, so flaky and brittle that it's taken a mere 5 games into the new season for some to conclude he must go.

Dyche deserves criticism and his style of play is uninspiring but I'd rather stick with him a while longer, perhaps until the takeover is complete, than twist right now and things get even worse.
 
Saint Domingo said:
He’s kept us up the two seasons he’s been here under much more difficult circumstances but 5 games is enough to conclude he won’t this season?

No bottom half team can ensure safety. If they could they’d be a top half team, by definition most of them will go through bad form at some point which has fans questioning will they go down. The season is 38 games long for a reason though. Do I think we’re one of the three worst teams from what I’ve seen even in the games we’ve lost? No.
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The big worry I have is that we can look pretty good and have a 2-0 lead, have a game in the bag for 85 minutes and then fall apart and lose a game 3-2 in injury time. We looked comfortable at Villa too but let Villa get back level through our own bad play, and then slacked off to allow them to get a winner. Before those two games we conceded 7 goals without scoring ourselves. So from those first 5 games we conceded on average just under 3 per game, for the first two looked like we would never score, the next two threw away two goal leads, one in the space of ten minutes, and yesterday got our first point of the season against a team that has not won this season yet. Not sure what 3 teams look worse than us at the moment, and to be honest I can`t see which teams I`d be confident of us beating at this point of the season.
 

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