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Sheedy on Moyes

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Up until around about this time last year I was a massive Moyes fan, but not one who was blind to certain obvious faults. The biggest myth of Moyes is that he gives youth a chance.

Whilst I think that Rooney's instant impact on the first team has skewed some Blues expectations of what to expect from a youth player, you have to question how some many supposedly talented lads have failed to live up to expectations.

So many players hailed as "the next Rooney" or whatever have failed to go on to achieve those levels at our club. Some have had injury issues, some apparent attitude issues. While you can't legislate for the injuries, can some of a poor attitude be put down having a manager that you knew no matter how you performed in training wasn't going to have you anywhere near the first team? Surely the futility of it would have a negative effect on you.

We had a Louis Saha who was so crocked he could barely run playing up front with a battered and bruised Cahill, on stead of playing say Baxter if Saha was injured Cahill and Fellaini would play up front.

Did Duffy do anything in his handful of games to warrant being dropped for a right back? Mustafi released without ever featuring in the PL, we could have signed Eric Dier permanently but he wanted more involvement in the first team.

If you're James Wallace, Adam Forshaw etc and you know there's a massive injury crisis, but when you see Phil Neville, or worse Johnny Heitinga playing in midfield before you, what's the point?

When Rooney was in the first team he was shunted out onto the wing for a long time. Anichebe was used on the wing. Leon Osman was used on the wing.

Jack Rodwell had the potential to be a quality player, but he looked scared to make a mistake. Ross Barkley was MOTM on his debut, then after a good performance vs Blackburn had tracked back and tried to tackle a player in the box, mistimed it and took the player down, we didn't see him in the first team for almost 18 months. How many penalties have you see. Hibbert, Jagielka or Neville give away during their time here.

In a team full of experienced Premier League players and Internationals, surely you can accommodate 1 or 2 younger players and allow them the freedom to express themselves without putting the fear of god into them about making a mistake.

This is starting to turn into a rant, and I really wasn't meaning it to, but even if you could argue that Moyes did give youth a chance, one mistake and they were banished, only to return of there was no other option.
 

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@GrandOldTeam i'm not taking sides here, and as much as i liked Moyes this theme of him 'not liking the youth' is now becoming more a public spectrum. Remember i told you about what Mark Hughes the CB told me?

" Moyes doesn't rate the kids, never has and never will " This was at least 5 years ago.

He only got an extension on his contract as a favour to his Agent at the time.

Whilst it would suit Hughes to slate Moyes as he never got as much as a chance as some others, this is now coming from much higher up the chain than the Youth lads with a chip on their shoulder.
 
Stones would be on loan at a championship club or still playing reserves football if moyes was still at us

theres no way he would have played as many games as he has, he would have been watching the derby game from the stands at anfield instead of playing for sure
 

Duncan Disordely said:
Up until around about this time last year I was a massive Moyes fan, but not one who was blind to certain obvious faults. The biggest myth of Moyes is that he gives youth a chance.

Whilst I think that Rooney's instant impact on the first team has skewed some Blues expectations of what to expect from a youth player, you have to question how some many supposedly talented lads have failed to live up to expectations.

So many players hailed as "the next Rooney" or whatever have failed to go on to achieve those levels at our club. Some have had injury issues, some apparent attitude issues. While you can't legislate for the injuries, can some of a poor attitude be put down having a manager that you knew no matter how you performed in training wasn't going to have you anywhere near the first team? Surely the futility of it would have a negative effect on you.

We had a Louis Saha who was so crocked he could barely run playing up front with a battered and bruised Cahill, on stead of playing say Baxter if Saha was injured Cahill and Fellaini would play up front.

Did Duffy do anything in his handful of games to warrant being dropped for a right back? Mustafi released without ever featuring in the PL, we could have signed Eric Dier permanently but he wanted more involvement in the first team.

If you're James Wallace, Adam Forshaw etc and you know there's a massive injury crisis, but when you see Phil Neville, or worse Johnny Heitinga playing in midfield before you, what's the point?

When Rooney was in the first team he was shunted out onto the wing for a long time. Anichebe was used on the wing. Leon Osman was used on the wing.

Jack Rodwell had the potential to be a quality player, but he looked scared to make a mistake. Ross Barkley was MOTM on his debut, then after a good performance vs Blackburn had tracked back and tried to tackle a player in the box, mistimed it and took the player down, we didn't see him in the first team for almost 18 months. How many penalties have you see. Hibbert, Jagielka or Neville give away during their time here.

In a team full of experienced Premier League players and Internationals, surely you can accommodate 1 or 2 younger players and allow them the freedom to express themselves without putting the fear of god into them about making a mistake.

This is starting to turn into a rant, and I really wasn't meaning it to, but even if you could argue that Moyes did give youth a chance, one mistake and they were banished, only to return of there was no other option.
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Fantastic post with examples of what I meant above. This is the exact issue with Moyes and youth - he was a man so afraid of failure that he never branched beyond Plan A involving the same 15 players, giving absolutely no scope for youth development. The youth system hasn't developed players capable for the first team as at no point during his tenure was the glass ceiling of the reserve team ever penetrable. Therefore, there was never a chance for a youngster to break in, take his chance and stay in the first team. Duffy, Forshaw, Vellios... there's numerous examples. The fact they didn't make it doesn't mean they never had the potential to make it in the first place; it means that it was unfulfilled because the system in place was flawed and hindered them at every turn.
 
To be fair to Sheedy, imagine working 7 days a week with a bunch of young players, who you get to know quite personally. You do everything for them, get them to really kick on in their game and then when it is all said and done the manager of the main team sends them on loan and doesnt bother to use them? When you have some fantastic lad who needs to be integrated into the squad and instead they end up in scotland never to return.

Imagine having a lad so much better than everyone else and yet doesn't even get a look into the first team and if left to rot in the reserve/academy team?

I think sheedy was bang on about it and personally now is not the time anymore to be tip toeing around our former boss. I personally want to know what happened behind the scenes and sheedy telling us (the obvious) is good for the fans.
 

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