Controversial shout prior to book release shocker.
Genius marketing, I wonder why
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Sheedy on Moyes
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Controversial shout prior to book release shocker.
Genius marketing, I wonder why
angrysoba
Player Valuation: £500k
Its not just about game time, moyes played rodwell, but still managed to convince the kid he had zero faith in him, he refused to even watch wallace despite to youth team staff saying he should be given a shot. Martinez has played ross in big games, moyes played ross against arsenal, both times ross recieved huge praise, look at the difference in how the manager dealt with that, you cant tell me these things don't filter down and have a negitive effect on our youth development
dead_soft
Player Valuation: £35m
Ah you're the better sleuth!
bluemangroup
Player Valuation: £70m
I agree. It's guesswork for the most part and youth footballers aren't an exact science or even close to it. With hindsight, it's easy to lay into Moyes and say what should have been done with some players, but to this point he seems to have got more right than wrong.
One thing I will say for Martinez and youth is that he seems to have opened the club up a bit more more. The academy seems less of a dead end for players and they can get game time in the lower leagues and learn their trade at a higher level than the reserves, which is no bad thing. But he hasn't bought any players through yet on his own. We can only really judge his youth policy against Moyes' when or if he does.
If players dont have a will to succeed they wont succeed.
James Wallace is currently destroying League One, good luck to the lad, I wish him the best of luck in his career.
And im sorry, I dont believe that Moyes would ignore players, despite what Sheedy says, theres other ways to watch players than actually go the game and im pretty sure he sent scouts to watch our games or maybe Headset boy.
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
How do you work that out like?
Yep, I will stress that I do think Martinez is 100% doing the right thing with loaning all the young uns out, its another reason its so important we get the Europa League, im pretty sure a few of them will get a run out in that.
The proof is in the pudding with this and only time will tell.
picked up another knock on sat unfortunately, because he is too good for that league. Thats what I'm told mate, one of the very few occasions I can claim to have any inside info, is on moyes and youth development, and I trust the info, his man management and attitude in that area where extremely poor
You talk as if players are either good enough or not. That isn't the case. Potential blossoms at different times depending on how they're nurtured.
Take Baines - released, brought through at Wigan correctly, given game time, now a top player.
Jagielka, deemed not good enough, went to the lower leagues early, developed properly, now a top player.
Countless other examples of players written off as teens and eventually making it. The problem with Moyes at Everton was that there were very few exceptions to this rule, and even examples of players going away and becoming good players are few and far between. That suggests the system itself was broken under Moyes and development was subject to a glass ceiling.
Imagine you're a youth player at Everton - you make turbo progress through the ranks, you hit the reserves aged 18... then you're farmed off to League 1 ad nauseum or, at best, given a place on the bench a few times. Of course you're going to stagnate as a footballer.
Adam Forshaw is the perfect example. Rocketed up the ranks, reserves in 2008-ish, got a few first team looks when it didn't matter if he came in or not, Reserve Player of the Year when he was released the very same year. Did doing the business in the reserves translate to a chance under Moyes? No, of course not. He might have made it, he might not have done - but there's no way of knowing as he wasn't given the slightest chance. You know, like Leon Osman was? He got given games in a struggling squad and I remember it as clear as day - he came on, changed games, and people were then clamouring to see more of him. And then he got his chance consistently and, in his early to mid 20's, he was a breath of fresh air - proof of a development system in action. We've seen absolutely nothing of the sort at Everton ever since!!!
Before Moyes, if players were deemed as not good enough, they were released and perhaps came back to prove us wrong. Under Moyes, it seems like players were proactively stopped from being good enough, due to a massive mistrust of youth.
His man management overall was utterly shocking.
Yeah, I keep hearing good things about young James, he does sadly seem to keep picking up injuries and honestly I hope he goes on to play in the Prem.
Gwladys Nights
Player Valuation: £15m
Bad nobhead behaviour by Sheedy. I hate all the anti-Moyes feeling among our fans. He took the piss with Baines and Fellaini but it was still pretty moderate stuff. The way the majority of our fans are at the match you'd think he'd smashed all their mums.
I got friendly with one of the youth team performance anaylsts during the last few years of the moyes area, said moyes would pick jack in the side, then pick him apart tactically, till the point he terrified to go near the ball, at this point jack was 17, and was rated as the best player of his age in europe.
I know it sounds like a contridiction mate, but he's convinced it hindered him, and when you see capello and mancini got better performances out of him in about the 5 games he was fit, there might be some truth in it
bluemangroup
Player Valuation: £70m
Yeah, that's one of my reasons for wanting to nail down fifth, amongst others. He's made the first team a more viable option for some of the academy and for them to get a run out against real high level oppo is nothing but a good thing. Plus we get to see what the academy has to offer in terms of first team competition ourselves.
From what I can gather Tranmeres form is entirely linked to Wallace being fit, hopefully he gets back
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