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Sheedy on Moyes

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Saint Domingo said:
They play different positions though. Thats like saying he picked Neville ahead of Mirallas or Naismith. Can either of them play holding mid? No, neither can Barkley. We've played two holdimg mids all season and Barkley hasnt once featured in those two deep lying spots.

This article is a load of garbage. Rooney, Osman, Rodwell, Barkley all England internationals and first team players under Moyes. Vaughan Anichebe, Baxter, McAleny, Wallace, Forshaw, all given their chances. Coleman and Gosling although bought also were promoted from the youth team. The records for youngest players, scorers in the prem and europe were all broken under Moyes. I struggle to think of another manager who gave youth this much of a chance at a top 6 club.

How many have been good enough? Theyre hardly knocking Robertos first team door down are they? Three long term injuries and not one youth player has made the first team. Legend as he is, maybe if Sheedy had developed some better kids Moyes might have picked them.
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Barkley played in midfield in the second half against liverpool at home and was excellent along side McCarthy
 
blueburns1878 said:
Barkley played in midfield in the second half against liverpool at home and was excellent along side McCarthy
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One 45 mins in a whole season due to an injury to our left back. He was great there but thats a different debate between two holding mids or one. Against Wigan we were already playing Osman who had been great thst season. So should we have lined up Osman and Barkley? Completely unbalanced. I could accept calls for Barkley over Osman or Gibson for Neville but Barkley for Neville is just a lazy shout.

Moyes gave him his debut and wpuld have sooner was it not for his leg break. He was also round the lads house when he broke his leg. As a 17 year old he played him in the prem and last season was guving him starts at the Emirates and WHL in his preferred numbrr 10 position. What more do people want? Martinez has used him more but even then in rotation because his form is patchy and his end product needs work because he's only 19.

I know one of the dads with a lad in the academy and he said Moyes was fantastic for the young players, knew all their names, and came to loads of games. This article is either a hack or some bad blood between the two for a different reason. You cant just overlook years of youth playets in the first team squad with the argument 'yeah but remember when he picked Neville over Barkley in that one game'
 
I thought that David Moyes stayed at Everton for about two years too long. Certainly twelve months before he got the Utd job he put himself firmly in the market for the Spurs job.
I didn't agree with how his departure was handled and I feel that everything said and done by him towards Everton since he left has been disrespectful at best.

That all said,he is gone and is being found out at Utd.I don't think that anybody at Everton should be adding to the mess that he is already in. I am surprised by Kevin Sheedy as it seems very out of character for him to do something like this. I cannot help but feel that there is some past history between Moyes and Kevin Sheedy.

I have always described David Moyes as a "nearly" manager and I think that still applies.If left in charge at Utd he will improve them and they will again be "nearly " at the top and "nearly" winning things but will never be the top club in England with him in charge.
Utd will get rid of him when they realise this and the big question they have to ask themselves is if they can trust him to spend a huge pot of borrowed money on players during the summer.
 
Saint Domingo said:
One 45 mins in a whole season due to an injury to our left back. He was great there but thats a different debate between two holding mids or one. Against Wigan we were already playing Osman who had been great thst season. So should we have lined up Osman and Barkley? Completely unbalanced. I could accept calls for Barkley over Osman or Gibson for Neville but Barkley for Neville is just a lazy shout.

Moyes gave him his debut and wpuld have sooner was it not for his leg break. He was also round the lads house when he broke his leg. As a 17 year old he played him in the prem and last season was guving him starts at the Emirates and WHL in his preferred numbrr 10 position. What more do people want? Martinez has used him more but even then in rotation because his form is patchy and his end product needs work because he's only 19.

I know one of the dads with a lad in the academy and he said Moyes was fantastic for the young players, knew all their names, and came to loads of games. This article is either a hack or some bad blood between the two for a different reason. You cant just overlook years of youth playets in the first team squad with the argument 'yeah but remember when he picked Neville over Barkley in that one game'
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Barkley for Neville was definately doable - it was just that Moyes preferred to have 6 defenders on the pitch.

Moyes going to Barkleys house when he broke his leg? Managerial wise what is so great about that? You will be telling us next he's a good bloke because he offers youngsters a tissue when letting them go.

He didn't play him at number 10 last season against Spurs - he was on the right and moyes used his limited impact to criticise him. He had to play him against Arsenal.

Sheedy clearly seen Adam Forshaw get league 1 player of the year and was angered that moyes released him.

I know a lad connected with finch farm and moyes was a bad apple.
 

GrandOldTeam said:
And who is responsible for the manager?

See what I did there?...

Kenwright. Blame Kenwright. @davek I can't believe you've missed this opportunity pal.
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I must say, I'm disappointed in Sheedy concerning this, that's why I haven't joined in. It looks worse on Kevin than Moyes that he didn't say it while Moyes was here (and presumably to his face) but waited until not only was he gone, but down and near out at United.
 
Tubey said:
People aren't seriously writing off what Sheedy has said as a publicity stunt are they?

I mean, it could be a factor, but seriously? You'd need your head checking if you think that is the case here. I mean the guy has barely put his head above water since the 1980s - do you think he'd wait 20+ years to deliberately cause a self-publicising fuss!!!
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I think you're right that it is probably a factor, but maybe a big one. Somebody was saying earlier that Sheedy's Twitter account was only recently opened, so it wouldn't be surprising if he started tweeting to promote his book, and keep people up to date with signings etc... and was a little naive about how his tweets would be picked up by national newspapers.

As for it being 20+ years, he hasn't had a book coming out until now, and hadn't been working with Moyes for that whole time.
 

davek said:
I must say, I'm disappointed in Sheedy concerning this, that's why I haven't joined in. It looks worse on Kevin than Moyes that he didn't say it while Moyes was here (and presumably to his face) but waited until not only was he gone, but down and near out at United.
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He couldn't win either way - if he said it when Moyes was there, it's insubordinate, out of order and he'd have lost his job.

If he had said it when Moyes had just left, it would have been viewed as sour grapes from a less talented employee that couldn't be taken seriously.

If he says it now, well, we've seen the problem.
 
Tubey said:
He couldn't win either way - if he said it when Moyes was there, it's insubordinate, out of order and he'd have lost his job.

If he had said it when Moyes had just left, it would have been viewed as sour grapes from a less talented employee that couldn't be taken seriously.

If he says it now, well, we've seen the problem.
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A glib comment on twitter wasn't the way to air his opinion on this though, that's the point imo.

He did it after they'd been tonked at home by their staunch rivals and it just came across as a low blow.

If he felt the need to get it off his chest then he could have gone on record to the papers or a radio station about it and explained his view fully, not just a couple of one liners on twitter.
 
RadioFriendlyUnitShifter said:
Maybe it's unprofessional, but Sheedy doesn't strike me as a bell. Clearly he's been aggrieved by Moyes' mistreatment of young players and thought he'd twist the knife a bit. Not arsed -- Moyes is a huge whopper and watching him squirm gives me great pleasure.
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This really. Couldn't really give a flying one whether it's unprofessional or not. People asked him a question and he told the truth.

P.S. Moyes is a bell.
 
allen said:
Daft business, all this. No need to kick the man while he's down.
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Why? he would do it to Evertonians, just like when we had a shocker and come out afterwards saying he thought we played well, laughing. He never cared anything about how we felt about the club, only himself. Just like for one example of plenty, when he dropped half the squad at Anfield when we were on a roll and they were having a shocking month, pretty much disregarded a game that means a lot to us because we had a cup game coming up, that we didnt win anyway.

Sheedy is spot on to say this and his timing is great, if he said it at the wrong time it would get ignored, this story like so many others about needs to be out there. Like this treatment of Howard Kendall...etc
 
Dithering Dougie said:
I doubt he'd have been able to create such a fantastically renowned team spirit if he was half as awful as some people want to make out. The loyalty shown from so many different characters he's managed over the years would suggest he's not the tyrant that's being portrayed
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But, IIRC, most of the talk about that team spirit was from players who knew they'd be on the team sheet regardless.
 

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