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Should Martinez be sacked? (Post-Hull poll)

Should Martinez be sacked

  • Yes

    Votes: 294 36.6%
  • No

    Votes: 509 63.4%

  • Total voters
    803
  • Poll closed .
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You've had my view over and over. Stop deflecting: you were found out and are struggling to deny you ALWAYS wanted. Martinez out. Pretty much end of story really, despite your feeble attempts to cover your tracks here by asking me nonsensical questions.

Well done, you're nearly there with your strange fantasy of seeing a very good manager thrown out of the club. Let's see if you get the reward for it and you get that great euro coach eh. Unfortunately you're way more likely to get Bipg. Stubbsy or it find or some other bellend called. Big Something or other...and then I'll laugh me bolocks off at your wishful thinking.

I've already, in detail, listd my points on Martinez over the course of the season - stop banging on about it nothings going to change

I've never, ever said I want Stubbs, Ferguson or anyone like that at this club

You have not answered a single question

I've come to the conclusion, you're a troll
 
I've already, in detail, listd my points on Martinez over the course of the season - stop banging on about it nothings going to change

I've never, ever said I want Stubbs, Ferguson or anyone like that at this club

You have not answered a single question

I've come to the conclusion, you're a troll

The. Correct. Conclusion.

Shame I can't reputation you some more.
 
If that happens it's a no brainer but we don't know that's how things will turn out.

i've seen the future mate, everyone will be vaulting these threads in a year's time when we have the europa league in our trophy cabinet, into the knockouts of the CL and sitting 2 points off 3rd in the league (y)

p.s. all of these events have a high possibility of not coming true
 
I'm concerned about the future, obviously he could turn it around with who we've got but that's not looking likely right now and we need players. Not like backups, but actual starting 11 players given the performance of a select few this season so far.

Will Kenwright back him with a shed load of cash to get in a goalkeeper, a centre back, a winger of starting 11 quality this Jan or in the summer? Or does he wait and see how we finish get rid but then still have to give the new manager money to get players.

Lets be realistic here, Howard, Distin, Alcaraz, Hibbert, Pienaar, Osman even Barry and Kone all need replacing and that's a lot of players so a fair bit of cash is needed for someone.
Firstly, for several (non-alcohol) reasons, I've not slept for 2 days so my judgment may be less than 100% until tomorrow morning, but yes, we need to to replace old players with new.

Also, I don't believe Bill Kenwright will simply watch us sleepwalk into the bottom 3. After all, he was Walter Smith's mate and he still sacked him.

Without turning this into a secondary 'board' thread, while he may be loyal to the manager, he's even more loyal to the survival of the club, as he should be, when it comes to the crunch (of the league).
 

When the players know the system isn't working and it is making their job impossible, is it any wonder their heads drop when their manager pushes them to do more of the same? You can bet they've talked this through in training and after games, it speaks for their professionalism that they'll continue to go out and do as they're told even though it was obvious months ago it was failing.
How bad does it have to get before Martinez concedes that the madness to his method is the issue? Stubborness is great, when it's a manager sinking someone elses club.

He picks the side, he sends them out to perform technically above what they can manage, he doesn't change it, he carries the can when it comes to it. I hope it doesn't but enough bad luck, and injuries is slowly forcing the clubs hand. His inability to change it up is his digging his own grave.

The morons (and king moron) blaming Hibbert, Osman, Naismith and Ferguson (wtf!) are kidding themselves and trying to kid you. The best way to pipe a shyster down is to call them out and then laugh at them. A few too many shysters trying to call the shots on here of late.

Martinez is explaining with his methods that he has learned very little to nothing from his days having Wigan play above average going forwards and like a bunch of startled lambs trying to defend. He has to change it, for his future and for Evertons in the Premier League.

Time is seriously ticking.

If by 'the system' you mean 4-2-3-1 I don't think it's especially at fault. We're pushing both fullbacks forward, which is fine because we have the two best attacking fullbacks in the league. But I don't think that we're getting enough cover from Barry and McCarthy. If it was me, when we were on the attack I'd want Barry to sit in between the two centrebacks and McCarthy sitting just in front trying to slow the opposition counter-attack down. McCarthy has been our best player so far this season but a lot is being asked of him because Barry has been so poor. When he played at centreback a few games ago you could see that he was dying to run into midfield to try and nick the ball. We need to be more disciplined, hold a line and play more intelligently. Wasn't Moyes using the same formation by the end anyway?

I don't really like the passing out from the back and keeping possession at set pieces. I can understand why he does it. Statistically the chances are that the ball will come straight back at us from a punt upfield and we won't score from a set piece delivery but we're not going to carve out an opportunity from open play while the opposition have everyone back unless we work it well and we have one of the best deadball specialists in the world in our side, so we might as well chance our arm. And anyway, I don't think that we have the personnel to play out from the back and you get closed down too quickly in the Premier League for it to be worth the risk.

I think that our problem is that we expect to boss possession home and away and pin the opposition in. It's a flawed concept though. If we pin them in it gives us no room to get in between or behind them and we can't create chances. Teams will let us do that because they know that we'll over-commit and that they can spring a counter-attack on us, score one goal and defend it until full-time largely untroubled. If a side came to Goodison and left just their two centrebacks halfway in their own half we'd take advantage. Roberto might argue that it's the Barca way but they have Messi, Neymar and Saurez to create something out of nothing.

I don't disagree with his principles but maybe he's being too ambitious too soon? He won the cup by being tactically cute and very difficult to break down. He didn't set out to pass us or City off the park. Eventually the likes of Coleman, Stones, McCarthy, Besic, Barkley and Lukaku could form the basis of a very slick passing side but for now we need to take a step or two backwards and just be solid. Roberto needs to learn that occasionally putting a cross into the box for Lukaku isn't the antithesis of sexy football.
 
Firstly, for several (non-alcohol) reasons, I've not slept for 2 days so my judgment may be less than 100% until tomorrow morning, but yes, we need to treplace old players with new.

Also, I don't believe Bill Kenwright will simply watch us sleepwalk into the bottom 3. After all, he was Walter Smith's mate and he still sacked him.

Without turning this into a secondary 'board' thread, while he may be loyal to the manager, he's even more loyal to the survival of the club, as he should be, when it comes to the crunch (of the league).
With the money going round in the premier league i think he will take the situation more seriously.
If the team are not playing for martinez he will be gone.
Someone from within the club has got to act now because we are in a real mess
 
Firstly, for several (non-alcohol) reasons, I've not slept for 2 days so my judgment may be less than 100% until tomorrow morning, but yes, we need to to replace old players with new.

Also, I don't believe Bill Kenwright will simply watch us sleepwalk into the bottom 3. After all, he was Walter Smith's mate and he still sacked him.

Without turning this into a secondary 'board' thread, while he may be loyal to the manager, he's even more loyal to the survival of the club, as he should be, when it comes to the crunch (of the league).


haha those 7UPs can hit you hard!

But no I don't doubt his passion and all that either I'm just not sure considering how things are going with Martinez right now that he would give him, what really would be, a huge amount of cash to replace, rebuild whatever you want to call it. Like it'll need a certain level of cash and I don't think he would be willing to give it, if funds allowed any way.
 
No backbone - winning only 5 of 11 games we've been ahead in isn't good enough. We've lost SIX games in the past 25 where we took the lead (excusable against City I admit) - it's ELEVEN months since we last won a game from a losing position (Villa 2-1 last February 1st).

Under Roberto we've only won 3 times (Villa, West Ham away, Stevenage home LC (with the benefit of extra-time)) after falling behind but managed to lose EIGHT times having scored first.
 
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55% NO

If only those tanking players could back their manager in that proportion we might get a half a decent performance.

Still, it'll all be worthwhile for them when they're playing cards, snooker and golf everyday with Unsy and Duncan and not having to do that hard passing stuff anymore.

Well in lads.
 

55% NO

If only those tanking players could back their manager we might get a half a decent performance.

Still, it'll all be worthwhile for them when their playing cards, snooker and golf everyday with Unsy and Duncan and not having to do that hard passing stuff anymore.

Well in lads.

Roberto enough already go to bed you have a meeting with Bill in the Morning.
 
55% NO

If only those tanking players could back their manager in that proportion we might get a half a decent performance.

Still, it'll all be worthwhile for them when they're playing cards, snooker and golf everyday with Unsy and Duncan and not having to do that hard passing stuff anymore.

Well in lads.

I haven't read the whole thread mate - what's your view on the whole situation? As in where the problems lie and how to resolve it.
 
question of interest. if Martinez won us both europa and FA Cup this season but also got us relegated, would people still want him sacked?

would kind of give the impression we're a cup team like, but if mid-table finishes but constantly in europe and winning things is bad, then fair enough.

if your answer is no, would winning one of them and getting relegated deserve sacking?

i'm not really sure what my answer is, but tbh, if he won us a trophy but got us relegated, i'd possibly take it. The reality is, we'd win the championship with ease and bounce straight back up anyway so that would be another trophy, so it would only be one season away from the prem.

Ha obviously! I'd happily forfeit both cup runs right now if it meant we were in the top flight next year.

Just laughing at "we'd win the Championship with ease"... Oh yeah, sure. I imagine in this scenario we still have Lukaku, Mirallas, McCarthy and Barkley et al firing 'em in against Bournemouth or whatever.

Relegation would probably murder the club and we'd be in Leeds territory for 20 years following it, if we were lucky. Our entire club financially rests on being in the Premier League. And people would be OK with that as long as we won the European Mickey Mouse cup?

Christ.
 
55% NO

If only those tanking players could back their manager in that proportion we might get a half a decent performance.

Still, it'll all be worthwhile for them when they're playing cards, snooker and golf everyday with Unsy and Duncan and not having to do that hard passing stuff anymore.

Well in lads.
To be fair dave if the manager cannot get them playing its more his fault.
The players are letting the club down of that there is no doubt but martinez is not sorting the problem and thats what he is getting paid to do
 

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