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Should Martinez be sacked? (Post-Hull poll)

Should Martinez be sacked

  • Yes

    Votes: 294 36.6%

  • No

    Votes: 509 63.4%
  • Total voters
    803
  • Poll closed .
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Eric McNamara said:
the worst thing today was seeing all other away teams banging in goals ( at City, Anfield and Newcastle), Sunderland, Leicester, Burnley.

Everton could not even score once, that is relegation stuff there and then. If he was sacked right now I would be delighted tbh.
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Last season makes us seem like a legitimate top 4 contender, therefore City and New will try more. Liverpool, biggest rivals , derby days are different. These teams respect us and we have to fight harder.
 
davek said:
I repost this quote from the Howard book and ask anyone doubting that these players aren't capable of tanking these matches to comment.

"Roberto had a reputation for being classy and confident, affable and intelligent. Officially I was optimistic. But in truth I felt very wary and defensive. Everton was my team. He was the newbie. He'd be bringing a different style with him, not to mention a new goalkeeping coach. He was going to have to earn the right to belong. He and his whole gang".
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That's quite a statement that, don't like it.
 
daz4matty said:
I think martinez has lost them.
The way jags has been playing has been poor and if he is the captain he is doing an awful job
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maccavennie said:
If your talking about Jags coming out saying the lads are all behind Martinez that's a load of bull. Actions speak louder than words, same old crap spouting from his mouth, we are disappointed, we need to win, next game blah blah. If Martinez hasn't lost the dressing room then Jagielka needs to go one further and admit that they have been an absolute disgrace to the shirt not just today but for the majority of the season.
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I'm well aware chaps, i'm just trying to figure out where the brain trust are going with their theroies. All over the shop
 

Tubey said:
I don't think we were ever in this position with a run of form this bad with no end in sight under Moyes in January. And if we had of been, for all of Moyes's many, many faults, he's not one you could ever see taking a team down.

I never panicked about relegation under Moyes, but I'm close to panic now, as I can see a situation where Martinez changes naff all, we continue to lose, we have a horrific run of games starting February (Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal) and we could be solidly in the bottom three by March, with a setup that any side in this league will find easy to play against, which means our easy-ish run-in means sod all.
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Which is the fear. Which in turn brings the panic merchants.

Moyes didn't have any previous. Came in, had a bad 2nd season, then brought a reliability. Even when we were stuck in the position we are now, he build up a shield.

Martinez has a relegation on his CV. Some fans didn't want him to begin with. Hence the panic.

The thing is, I believe he will change it. Reason being, he's never felt the wrath of 30k+ at goodison park on his back.

He's in a different ball game now.
 
L4Everton said:
At times we are pushing both fullbacks forward to do the job they excel at, but everytime we turn it over cheaply and the oppo counter it's leaving gaps because we aren't closing down like we have and/or the gaps we are leaving sides have learned to hit instinctively. This has had a knock on effect, the FB's aint pushing up like they did (starving us that bit more going forward) because they're trying to bail out the CB's and DCM's with an easy out ball.
I see the reason to your dropping Barry in to CB like Carrick, great passer, great vision, calm that faltering back line down. But he aint got the legs, the CB's with him are in disarray now with him second guessing them as we are. I am not against 4-1-4-1 obviously McCarthy where Matic plays, Barkley and Besic the centre two (but Bes has to stop the slides!!!) Mirallas is right footed, give him right wing, Pienaar is goosed I think (comfortable!) so left flank is up for grabs, Oviedo, Baines and Garbutt can work through it - we have seen good deliveries from corners and FK's by Garb. Agreed McCarthy has been a shining light in a dark season so far. The issue for me with the system is the lack of pragmatism, keeping possession until the ball is worked to our keeper is conceding ground for the sake of what? Keeper hoofs it and we chance our arm, but we aint got Cahill, and Ferguson and Fellaini dominating the aerial battles.



Our set pieces aint great (the comms today say we've scored more from set plays than anyone else) (him from breaking bad must have sorted them their pre game drinks) the thing about us arsing about with the ball is that we are not pressuring the oppo's back line fast enough to force mistakes like they are forcing from us. The prem is fast, and for my money last season was built on the defensive minded rigidity of a Moyes drilled side that utterly hated shipping goals. The longer its gone the further we've gone from it. I honestly dont think any but 3 sides in the PL can afford the best of the best in terms of CB's so an athletic footballing brain great distributing leader type for CB is utterly beyond pie in the sky hope. We are lucky to have Stones on the books.



It's flawed at Goodison, it's failing. The oppo pushes the striker up and crowds him knowing no long ball is being hit, they flood midfield cutting out the easy ball from defence and wait for the possession to be turned over - when it aint, close the player with the ball down, and backwards it goes to Howard again. Sticking to this system so rigidly is killing the players we have, they hate it because its a waiting game to concede. Confidence killer? Confidence annihilator!



Agreed 100%, expecting amazing performances from a set of players not capable is madness. JagiDistin or Alcielka however the hate is doled out, they cant compensate for a midfield not able to shake its markers, so they work it sideways until its to Howard. Hoof!
For me, City disliked Mancini an awful lot, and the fallout at Man Utd last season was more of the same player mided stuff, City didn't play in that cup final. Player power at its worst.
"but for now we need to take a step or two backwards and just be solid." I have used very very close to these exact words. Martinez needs to arrest the slump, and get it done sharpish. Bloody minded sticking to his system is ruining the players, sinking the club and ruining his reputation. It's also upsetting the support.

Got MOTD on, pleased for Spurs, haha Jose.

So far as we go, there is no fear factor anymore, it looks like discipline has been lost, so many BS stories floating around and players being lined up for the gallows. Give the players a game they are comfortable with and can give it a go with, stretching them should be the opposition managers game not our own.
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Defensively I'd like to see us being able to hold a line the width of our box with the midfielders filling in the gaps. Even when we're in position our centrebacks get sucked out and leave a huge gap in behind them. It's quite basic. Most teams that come to Goodison are able to hold their shape, so I don't understand why we find it so challenging.

Going forward we tend to pass the ball far too slowly and we have very little movement, so it's easy to defend against. They can even afford to double up on the man on the ball because we're not going to exploit the space that he leaves. We don't tend to make runs. We receive the ball stood still and then decide what to do with it.

Has a lot really changed since Moyes era? We probably commit more men forward and we keep possession rather than putting crosses in. Otherwise probably not a great deal. Lukaku is as starved of service as Saha and Yakubu before him.
 
Has Martinez ever been sacked .. No?

He's been found out this season and should have used the money wisely. Said all along, would have been more beneficial in bringing in Demba Ba and Loic Remy for what .. 15-16 million in total? Add a loan deal in and promote 1-2 youngsters but no Martinez blew 28 million on Lukaku. Different pressure from being a loanee number 9 in comparison to being a club record signing. This everton side cries out for pace .. Failure to see this is criminal.
 
Elong said:
Daz is sound ffs, I don't agree with him either but there's no need to neg him because he's worried lads.
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kenada_blue said:
Which is the fear. Which in turn brings the panic merchants.

Moyes didn't have any previous. Came in, had a bad 2nd season, then brought a reliability. Even when we were stuck in the position we are now, he build up a shield.

Martinez has a relegation on his CV. Some fans didn't want him to begin with. Hence the panic.

The thing is, I believe he will change it. Reason being, he's never felt the wrath of 30k+ at goodison park on his back.

He's in a different ball game now.
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The big worry is the more under pressure he is the worse we are playing.
 

I can't quote it, but look at our results 2nd half. The first half is usually quite fluky, so the 2nd half we haven't done that well. If he is to be replaced, I don't know who- but let's try a proven one.
 
...I don't know what to even think anymore, genuinely I don't. I'm not sure if I want him to stay, I'm nowhere near convinced I want him to go. Some touting TIM SHERWOOD as possible replacement on the radio earlier!!! Based on....? What....? Yes, we have injuries and, yes, we have a goalkeeper that's made one notable save of late, and that was with his face. Oh, and the home game against HULL saw us passing the ball about....in the 93rd minute....in our own half...Pfff....

That was a low.

I wasn't sure when he arrived, I warmed to him and now...well, again, I don't know, and I'm boring myself saying that...

But what I am sure of is this: there are players currently who don't seem remotely arsed nor interested. And that's worrying. Because if that's the case there's generally a reason for such a malaise. And if there isn't, then they need outing, from the team/squad/club, whatever...

Tell yer what I am tired of though, the word 'MOMENT', the word 'MOMENTUM'...it was quirky at first, refreshing.

Now it's just putting me in mind of BRENDAN RODGERS.

I hope there's a way back from this, the fixture list tells me otherwise though because as much as I want to see an 'UP', I don't...

Either way, we just need to get back in the f**king moment...
 

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