Should Martinez be sacked? (Post-Stoke poll)

[LouReedwalkonthewildside]

Only just joined GOT, so I thought I had pressed a wrong button and somehow got onto RAWK when I clocked this thread.

 

[davek]

But you call Rodgers the biggest fraud in football for exactly the same thing ? Still waiting for an answer in the other thread for that.

And yes it is an excuse and a cliché, it may just be a poor run of form and i'll be big enough to admit i'm wrong if he turns the season around.

What's Rodgers got to do with it? A manager who's had £250M to spend versus a manager who's had a few quid to spend?

 

[Zatara]

Robles I think needs a chance.

Mcgeady kone and alcaraz were mental signings.

Barry and a couple of other oldies like howard on long contracts was a mistake. But who knew they would ALL be this bad al of a sudden at the same time.

Think he needed to extend contracts to give him time to rebuild.

I see your point mate but he's given contract extensions to a lot of these players that are finished and signed some of them too.

 

[davek]

Who do those who want Martinez gone want as new manager, btw?

 

[CJONES9]

Only way he'll ever get sacked is if we go down, which we won't, but we're defo in a relegation battle as long as he's been stubborn and refusing to try something new.

 

[bicycleheader]

No, being defeated and playing well is different. You can actually come away from the game with positives and think about how when it eventually clicks you'll smash teams.

Being defeated and playing like we have done for the past few months bar a few europa league games, which might I add we played counter attacking football in (or at least against wolfsburg), is absolutely unacceptable. We look terrible. If we had gotten a point or even won today I'd still be upset because we're literally that bad

Why?

It happens. Its just a soundbite to say a performance is unacceptable and its overused on here by panicmerchants along with disgrace and other things like that.

We do look bad, that doesnt change my view on people wanting to sack a manager this early. Theres lots of factors at play, its Sun Back Page type football mentality to just looks straight to the sack-manager option.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Unfortunately this isn't a one off is it. But sound we'll just debate this when we finish 16th or worse.

The point is the timing.

It's embarressing and knee jerk.

We never have one of these polls pop up other than immediately after a bad result.

 

[Azza]

Ive always said this year a mid table finish + good europa run is fine.

Just as long as he bloods the kids and removes the deadwood.

Then summer he rebuilds.

He's not doing that though is he. Browning made a couple of apps and impressed, not seen since. He played Hibbert at lb over Garbutt for god sake.

He was so reactive last season but this season it's just stale. It's all just strange.

 

[bicycleheader]

Ive always said this year a mid table finish + good europa run is fine.

Just as long as he bloods the kids and removes the deadwood.

Then summer he rebuilds.

yep. patient approach.

 

[harry]

Its a bit early to be screaming for change.

 

[Dutch Toffee]

Ive always said this year a mid table finish + good europa run is fine.

Just as long as he bloods the kids and removes the deadwood.

Then summer he rebuilds.

The worry for me is if that happens, that deadwood will stay put and the star players (like mcCarthy and Mirallas) will walk.

I'm not to fond of accepting mediocrity in one area in order to excell in another one. Europa League is great for our exposure as a club, Premier League is our bread and butter. Don't want to make concessions on either front.

 

[hktoffee]

Not now.

 

[Abraders]

Why?

It happens. Its just a soundbite to say a performance is unacceptable and its overused on here by panicmerchants along with disgrace and other things like that.

We do look bad, that doesnt change my view on people wanting to sack a manager this early. Theres lots of factors at play, its Sun Back Page type football mentality to just looks straight to the sack-manager option.

I'm very willing to sack a manager is absolutely unwilling to change things when they are going wrong.

He's basically said it in black and white that he sees no reason to change anything and that we are nearly at the heights of last season.

Nah, not for me, thanks

Edit; saying all this again still, even though i said sack, my opinion would change in 2-3 games if he openly changes stuff and gets us going again - because that would prove to me that he is a wizard with a plan B, not just a plan A. But if it stays as it is, I see no hope for improvement.

 

[1966efc]

Ive always said this year a mid table finish + good europa run is fine.

Just as long as he bloods the kids and removes the deadwood.

Then summer he rebuilds.

Spot on that.

He can start to rebuild. He can't, I think, do the whole job - 8 or 9 players need to be eased out. Two problems with this are: by the time he's got rid of 3 or 4, budding talent will want off to bigger contracts and more hope of winning stuff; a heavy balance of cheap players (kids and oldies) is how we operate - it isn't some sort of oversight / mistake.

 

[cronullasharks]

What's Rodgers got to do with it? A manager who's had £250M to spend versus a manager who's had a few quid to spend?

A few quid ? Righto.

I'm sure you can see the comparisons between the 2, you're not stupid.

Both had great seasons last season, both clubs have dropped off this year. Both have signed players who haven't lived up to expectation.

I don't neccesarily want the bloke sacked, I think it's natural to question if he's the right man for the job.