Should Martinez be sacked? (Post-Stoke poll)

[L4Everton]

Meaning, if for whatever reason you as a supporter can not get behind the manager then get behind the players on the pitch. Ideally you should be behind both as I and most are. This is not meant to suggest a division between players and management if that's your thinking. There is no verified evidence of this and until there is, it's a non-story.

I posted what I did hoping to coax a point of view out of someone specific, who has spoken in fairly harsh tones regarding supporting the manager and even harsher manners regarding very specific members of the playing staff. Now I know we all have our favourites, my position is, calling for paramount faith and belief no matter what in the manager is fine - but surely the same goes with the players, even those that are very definitely not some peoples favourites.

[I was being a bit coy tbf, I'll stop carping on]

 

[daz4matty]

It's an OTT reaction by people who no doubt have their little favourite managerial project waiting in the wings...the ones who couldn't quite give up on the semi-agricultural way of playing under Moyes.

I must say also, and with regret, there's also something more sinister underlying it all it seems to me. A lot of this is typical bullying behaviour. The feller is not a bruiser of a manager and talks politely and with respect at all times. That's seen as weakness and the self appointed lynch mob see it as a further invitation to get stuck in.

That's probably harsh on some people who want another manager in, but I reckon it fits the bill for some others.

You want to read what you actually post you are so far up your own backside dave.
There has been nobody more aggressive or to look to have an agenda than you over moyes and kenwright you were like a dog with a bone.
Just because some fans are letting off steam about martinez and are right to do so because he looks lost you are going well over the top and digging people in nearly every post.
Try and look at why fans are getting really worried instead of shooting them down all the time.

 

[daz4matty]

Meaning, if for whatever reason you as a supporter can not get behind the manager then get behind the players on the pitch. Ideally you should be behind both as I and most are. This is not meant to suggest a division between players and management if that's your thinking. There is no verified evidence of this and until there is, it's a non-story.

To be fair before every game our fans to the man just want to see us win.
Before the newcastle game i was pleased he benched a few and thought he was going to change things but it was deja-vu again.
I would love us to stuff hull and go on a great run but martinez is not showing anything to suggest he can turn things round

 

[Deleted member 28206]

You forgot to add Howard. Barry has been poor all season and Eto has done ok in a couple of games that's it.

I think he should keep McGeady - McGeady ONLY to come on for the last 15 minutes of a game (if we are losing).

I dont see how we can get rid of Howard, he is the number 1 keeper for us, if we had someone of ability to replace him with instead of that egg shell of a man in robles then yea, but we don't!

 

[davek]

I think there’s a wider criticism that relates to how people knee jerk react. Personally I always supported Moyes, probably too much, but some of the criticism and the personal nature of it towards him was out of order.

Martinez has blooded Stones, Barkley, Browning and Garbutt this season, with probably Ledson to come. 5 players that could save Everton up to 100 million in the transfer market. He has tried to be adventurous. He has tried to do a lot of the things people criticised Moyes for. It’s still not enough though.
I know people want us to win the league and anybody who falls foul of that should be binned. But such a short sighted approach of constantly changing your manager, especially for a club with little money will greatly damage it. The manager should be judged on a whole season in charge. If we are 12th come the end of the season then questions till be asked. He’s a young manager still and learning all of the time and I hope he would come away and get the right answers.

I like the way he bloods young players though and how he is introducing a positive strategy to the team. He probably needs to be a bit more pragmatic at times. He’ll get there though, if he’s given the time and some money to bring his own players in.

Agree with that mate.

I understand that there'll always be people who split off into factions based on playing style or personality of the manager, but the way some have took leave of their senses and demanded the head of a fine manager like this is unacceptable as far as I'm concerned. If we'd been ropey last season and mid-table this season as we are now, it'd suggest he wasn't the right man for the job. But it hasn't worked out that way and so I sense an agenda driven attack. It's confined to the blow hard tendency at the moment thankfully.

 

[davek]

People on here? chatting pie in the sky about god knows who from god knows which league? TBF I feel Moyes was hard done too (his leaving aside) and the 'semi-agricultural' way of playing as it has been termed did a job when the side wasn't as wealthy with riches as it is currently.

I have no idea what the 'something sinister underlying' is, I have zero doubt we have undercover red mess on here throwing the occasional comment in for their own amusement, but they slowly allow the light to expose them. I'm not sure whos part of the lynch mob condemning RM for talking the way he does.

Question Dave, are you happy for the experiment of the CB's doing the distribution* to continue?

[*I have labelled it 'titting about at the back' so that belies my position]

The tactic of using CBs to play the ball out I support, yes. With these two idiots who currently get the jerseys in the absence of Stones to break their stranglehold up? No. But I've been arguing since last May we needed new blood in there with Stones; van Dijk has been my shout on that front for a good while.

 

[raib]

I dont see how we can get rid of Howard, he is the number 1 keeper for us, if we had someone of ability to replace him with instead of that egg shell of a man in robles then yea, but we don't!

Howard is poor - Use the January Transfer window to get a better keeper. A good defense starts with a good keeper - howard is just poor. He is still thinking how well he did in the world cup - when you look at most of the shots he saves they were straight at him, and I would expect him to save those.

 

[marty mcfly]

You want to read what you actually post you are so far up your own backside dave.
There has been nobody more aggressive or to look to have an agenda than you over moyes and kenwright you were like a dog with a bone.
Just because some fans are letting off steam about martinez and are right to do so because he looks lost you are going well over the top and digging people in nearly every post.
Try and look at why fans are getting really worried instead of shooting them down all the time.

Look I will say this to both camps.

MOYES IS GONE.

Martinez is now our manager so there shouldn't be two camps. If you want us to do well then you want Martinez to do well.

 

[bizzaro]

It's an OTT reaction by people who no doubt have their little favourite managerial project waiting in the wings...the ones who couldn't quite give up on the semi-agricultural way of playing under Moyes.

I must say also, and with regret, there's also something more sinister underlying it all it seems to me. A lot of this is typical bullying behaviour. The feller is not a bruiser of a manager and talks politely and with respect at all times. That's seen as weakness and the self appointed lynch mob see it as a further invitation to get stuck in.

That's probably harsh on some people who want another manager in, but I reckon it fits the bill for some others.

Yes. That much is very evident.

 

[daz4matty]

Yes. That much is very evident.

Matt damon i can't believe its you and you love davek now

 

[Toffeelover]

Agree with that mate.

I understand that there'll always be people who split off into factions based on playing style or personality of the manager, but the way some have took leave of their senses and demanded the head of a fine manager like this is unacceptable as far as I'm concerned. If we'd been ropey last season and mid-table this season as we are now, it'd suggest he wasn't the right man for the job. But it hasn't worked out that way and so I sense an agenda driven attack. It's confined to the blow hard tendency at the moment thankfully.

Fair enough Dave but at what point will your confidence wane. As for L4, Moyes blooded Barkley and Garbutt not RM. In addition talk of our ERx and how he was treated shows some have forgotten how he came to leave and BK did not have a clue, arguably if people recall rumour has it that our EX was given the nod that Xmas.

As for signings RM has saddled us with a load of tripe the only good ones to me are Lukaku, Besic and McCarthey. All very well to talk of moving out some players in January but the ones we want to go are not wanted by any other club however you can bet someone will be in for a player or two we do not want to lose.

 

[L4Everton]

The tactic of using CBs to play the ball out I support, yes. With these two idiots who currently get the jerseys in the absence of Stones to break their stranglehold up? No. But I've been arguing since last May we needed new blood in there with Stones; van Dijk has been my shout on that front for a good while.

Ok fine, we'll go about it this way then.
With 'these two idiots' in the side as the experienced first choice two (just like last season in the majority I hasten to add) then is it their fault that when Martinez selects them to play a game they cant play it is their fault for not being that type of player (because he must see like we can and know it like we do) or is it his can to carry because it is his selection and his method of playing that has us repeatedly coming unstuck?

So far as 'last May' and 'new blood' 'Van Dijk' and whatever else, hindsight is a wonderful thing, no one could anticipate Stones being out like he has been and very importantly how much of setting a system that doesn't work for the only players at his disposal is responsible for wrecking a once good working midfield?

 

[daz4matty]

Look I will say this to both camps.

MOYES IS GONE.

Martinez is now our manager so there shouldn't be two camps. If you want us to do well then you want Martinez to do well.

I want us to do well and obviously if thats happening martinez is doing well but i worry about him turning it round.

 

[BernieWright13]

Except....

Joel made a world class save and made no mistakes.
Baines played the killer ball into Mirallas, something no one has done all season.
Garbutt looked very decent in his first start given he had no cover from the snails Eto'o and Barry.
Kone scored in his first start and looked our best player.

Perhaps you only see what you want to see because it's certainly not the game.

Bravo

 

[BernieWright13]

You want to read what you actually post you are so far up your own backside dave.
There has been nobody more aggressive or to look to have an agenda than you over moyes and kenwright you were like a dog with a bone.
Just because some fans are letting off steam about martinez and are right to do so because he looks lost you are going well over the top and digging people in nearly every post.
Try and look at why fans are getting really worried instead of shooting them down all the time.

Its like someone read my mind