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"sixth, seventh or eighth the best Everton can do"

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Tubey said:
I'd say being one of the top 10 clubs in Britain qualifies you as a big club. We're not Shrewsbury or the MK Dons are we?

Let's put it this way, I don't think we're "small" enough to allow a manager who has won nothing to boost his own credentials by making out his own shortcomings are the result of Everton doing the "best they can" by finishing 8th.

What Moyes has said isn't true at all. It's the net result of the remarkable lowering of expectations under his management - the club has done well, whilst the Moyes myth has expanded.

Here's what does my head in - when Everton do well, it's because of Moyes. When Everton do badly, it's because of Kenwright.

We normally start the season badly and end strongly, and people excuse it because of the squad etc., not because of Moyes. This season, we've started strongly and we're ending badly, yet people once again point at the squad and refuse to blame Moyes.

We've had seasons were we've played exactly the same amount of games as now with the same size squad and kicked on after Christmas, so I'm not buying this "the squad are knackered" nonsense. We went out early in the League Cup and have had one game a week on average.

So why is Moyes not blamed for not having the ability to get the job done over a season? Why is it that the start of the season was great because of Moyes, but what's happening now is someone elses fault.

Always someone elses fault, that's the common theme with him. If the best Everton can do is 8th, it's not because the club is too limited to do better (name seven better clubs?), it's because he isn't good enough at his job.
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Struggle to disagree, but lay some blame at the door of his best mate too, if he had some money to confirm his lack of talent too, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
 
MoutsGoat said:
Arsenal - Regular CL football, can attract top players
United - Do I need to explain why?
Kopites - Can attract top players, pay top wages and have a worlwide fanbase 2nd to only United
Chelsea - Moneys
City - Moneys
Spurs - CL hopefuls, can attract top players and pay top wages
Everton - Plucky little Everton, 18 Years without a trophy, sometimes makes the Europa, cant buy free players, cant attract anybody of any note, EVER, sells its best players every Summer
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I wasn't asking you why they were bigger, I was saying they are the only ones who are. And it's very debatable that Spurs are a bigger club than us.
 
Tubey said:
I'd say being one of the top 10 clubs in Britain qualifies you as a big club. We're not Shrewsbury or the MK Dons are we?

Let's put it this way, I don't think we're "small" enough to allow a manager who has won nothing to boost his own credentials by making out his own shortcomings are the result of Everton doing the "best they can" by finishing 8th.

What Moyes has said isn't true at all. It's the net result of the remarkable lowering of expectations under his management - the club has done well, whilst the Moyes myth has expanded.

Here's what does my head in - when Everton do well, it's because of Moyes. When Everton do badly, it's because of Kenwright.

We normally start the season badly and end strongly, and people excuse it because of the squad etc., not because of Moyes. This season, we've started strongly and we're ending badly, yet people once again point at the squad and refuse to blame Moyes.

We've had seasons were we've played exactly the same amount of games as now with the same size squad and kicked on after Christmas, so I'm not buying this "the squad are knackered" nonsense. We went out early in the League Cup and have had one game a week on average.

So why is Moyes not blamed for not having the ability to get the job done over a season? Why is it that the start of the season was great because of Moyes, but what's happening now is someone elses fault.

Always someone elses fault, that's the common theme with him. If the best Everton can do is 8th, it's not because the club is too limited to do better (name seven better clubs?), it's because he isn't good enough at his job.
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Big time.

How many times as a "good run" come together when a player is injured and the system is shifted?

It's never on purpose, it's always forced.
 

Bryan said:
Struggle to disagree, but lay some blame at the door of his best mate too, if he had some money to confirm his lack of talent too, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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I detest Kenwright mate, but he doesn't take the striker off when leading 1-0 against Norwich and surrender to a 2-1 loss.

Moyes is outstanding in the transfer market, but he isn't a managerial great and he has done absolutely nothing to earn the right to act bigger than the club, which is what he is currently doing. He's like a cat on heat, waving his arse in the air to attract anyone who will take him.

Got to repeat; we're Everton, not League Two makeweights with a net history of a Johnstone's Paint trophy win in 1992!
 
1. United
2. Liverpool
3. Arsenal
4. Chelsea
5. City
6. Everton
7. Spurs
8. Villa
9. Leeds
10. Newcastle



Or something like that.
 
Anybody who thinks we'll get sustained improvement over our current situation by changing the manager but not the financial situation is seriously deluded, imo.

We're a big team in terms of our history, but when it comes to competing at the highest level we are clearly not a big club and haven't been for a long time.
 

Azzurri said:
Newcastle > Leeds, actually.
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But mate Leeds are currently in the Championship and wont be leaving it anytime soon, how on Earth can you regard them as a big Club?

Your mistaking history for current.

To judge a big Club you must look at its current postion, on and off the field.

And in 2013, money talks.
 
MoutsGoat said:
But mate Leeds are currently in the Championship and wont be leaving it anytime soon, how on Earth can you regard them as a big Club?

Your mistaking history for current.

To judge a big Club you must look at its current postion, on and off the field.

And in 2013, money talks.
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So Reading/Wigan/Swansea are bigger than Leeds/Sheffield Wednesday/Wolves?
 
Tubey said:
I detest Kenwright mate, but he doesn't take the striker off when leading 1-0 against Norwich and surrender to a 2-1 loss.

Moyes is outstanding in the transfer market, but he isn't a managerial great and he has done absolutely nothing to earn the right to act bigger than the club, which is what he is currently doing. He's like a cat on heat, waving his arse in the air to attract anyone who will take him.

Got to repeat; we're Everton, not League Two makeweights with a net history of a Johnstone's Paint trophy win in 1992!
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What he said
 

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