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[TheBigIguana]

Steady on.

I'm sorry but flipping players on their head should be a red card offense. The reason Kane gets so much stick is the undercut is a strategy of his to draw fouls for himself.

And I get it isn't intentional but as I said it is negligent. Jump for the header and you won't be flipping people over you.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[Bungle]

Irrelevant but no matter what my age I've never resorted to personal abuse like some have do

That might be the case, but you regularly resort to being a condescending and patronising tit. I'm not sure what sort of response you expect on an opposition forum when you start acting like a smug prick because you think you hold a more valid opinion than the next person.

But y'know, carry on doing your cause the world of good by throwing around top bantz like 'ooohh you're in glasshouses'.

 

[H.H.]

F...
That video shows just how dangerous it can be so I agree with @TheBigIguana, it should be made a straight red card offence.

 

[YoboCopter]

miss the days arsenal used to be well better than these

 

[Efcjake]

I'm sorry but flipping players on their head should be a red card offense. The reason Kane gets so much stick is the undercut is a strategy of his to draw fouls for himself.

And I get it isn't intentional but as I said it is negligent. Jump for the header and you won't be flipping people over you.

It's a very hard thing to judge for me. They're not all clear cut cases.

It becomes a question of intent. Are they actually trying to go for the ball or are they just looking to cause the foul?

In the compilation of Kane's it looks fairly clear that he's doing it with intent. Kane is bigger than most of these players he's going under and could probably win the ball fairly in an aerial duel.

With Gomes on this one he has his eyes on the ball but Chris Wood is a monster Grock who would clean him out if he leaves the ground. Gomes isn't a striker or a defender and challenging aerial duels isn't one of his strong suits so he backs out of the challenge.

If you can show me a pattern of Gomes doing this like we've seen put together on Kane then I'd be inclined to agree with you that the intent to foul was there but at the moment I'm treating it as a one-off. When you see video of Kane doing this many times across a season it makes it look like he's clearly planned that he's going to do this and I don't see that from Gomes.

Which is why spurs fans like @H.H. trying to point fingers at one-off incidents from other players doesn't exonerate Kane who clearly has a pattern of doing this and just makes them look like kopites.

 

[KaiserEFC]

 

[Efcjake]

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@orly please come back. The headpatters are rising up again in your absence.

 

[GP_Monty]

Hope these stay in the race for the duration and do the business, so the Spurs shirt I bought in May 2018 isn't a complete waste.

 

[Yid4life]

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Mate, on our forum this is equivalent to whispering sweet nothings. It's a cross between One Flew Over the Cuckoos nest and Apocalypse Now over there.

 

[TheBigIguana]

It's a very hard thing to judge for me. They're not all clear cut cases.

It becomes a question of intent. Are they actually trying to go for the ball or are they just looking to cause the foul?

In the compilation of Kane's it looks fairly clear that he's doing it with intent. Kane is bigger than most of these players he's going under and could probably win the ball fairly in an aerial duel.

With Gomes on this one he has his eyes on the ball but Chris Wood is a monster Grock who would clean him out if he leaves the ground. Gomes isn't a striker or a defender and challenging aerial duels isn't one of his strong suits so he backs out of the challenge.

If you can show me a pattern of Gomes doing this like we've seen put together on Kane then I'd be inclined to agree with you that the intent to foul was there but at the moment I'm treating it as a one-off. When you see video of Kane doing this many times across a season it makes it look like he's clearly planned that he's going to do this and I don't see that from Gomes.

Which is why spurs fans like @H.H. trying to point fingers at one-off incidents from other players doesn't exonerate Kane who clearly has a pattern of doing this and just makes them look like kopites.

I actually don't think intent has to matter at all. The problem is to keep it from becoming a complete s show they'd need to properly use replay when deciding red vs yellow vs nothing and as football won't ever do that I'm not sure a good solution exists. The Gomes one is red for me. He should jump for it and if he gets clattered the referee needs to discipline Wood appropriately for that.

 

[H.H.]

miss the days arsenal used to be well better than these

Instead of other teams, shouldn't that be Everton?

 

[Efcjake]

I actually don't think intent has to matter at all. The problem is to keep it from becoming a complete s show they'd need to properly use replay when deciding red vs yellow vs nothing and as football won't ever do that I'm not sure a good solution exists. The Gomes one is red for me. He should jump for it and if he gets clattered the referee needs to discipline Wood appropriately for that.

I think it does or you're going to see a lot of players sent off for completely unintentional accidents.

Look at the clips of Kane again. On the first and last incidents he looks directly at the player and not the ball. He knows exactly where they are and what he's going to do.



There's no rule that says you have to get out of the players way so they can challenge for the ball. You're allowed to occupy space in between a player and the ball.

The question becomes whether the action to duck out of the challenge is one to protect themselves or to injure another player and I don't think both situations should be getting treated the same.

 

[Bungle]

Mate, on our forum this is equivalent to whispering sweet nothings. It's a cross between One Flew Over the Cuckoos nest and Apocalypse Now over there.

Do you know if this @H.H. fella is a poster on the Spurs forum? He strikes me as one of them that gets told to [Poor language removed] wherever he contributes, be it opposition or Spurs forums.

 

[H.H.]

Do you know if this @H.H. fella is a poster on the Spurs forum? He strikes me as one of them that gets told to [Poor language removed] wherever he contributes, be it opposition or Spurs forums.

Nope.