Stadium Thread - ALL Kirkby/Stadium Discussion Here

[SimonP]

Do you not think they could focus their attentions to be more beneficial to the club? Say, by focusing attentions on LCC rather than being convinced that Everton are determined to press their own self destruct button?

Lets not forget, there were opposition groups formed ahead of the Kings Dock proposal?

I cant help but feel there are underlying priorities for some involved with the likes of KEIOC and KRAG, most certainly the latter.

Because when invited to the opening meeting of KEIOC, the club didn't turn up to answer questions but LCC did.

When asked for meetings, it was easier to speak to LCC

LCC have put their side across, EFC have - for the most part - sat and ignored KEIOC with an arrogance only they can muster.

LCC have tried to arrange meetings with Everton and have come up against a brick wall. KEIOC have tried to organise meetings between the club and LCC, and have come up against a brick wall.

LCC tell KEIOC they have a plan in place that will fund and develop a city centre stadium. KEIOC are desperate for the club to listen to it and explore the possibility - the club won't.

EFC won't entertain anything other than Kirkby - they don't want a "plan B" because a "plan B" involves the existence of an alternative site for a stadium - if there is an alternative site for a stadium then the Secretary of State will deny permission for Kirkby to go ahead.

The only opposition groups to the King's Dock were a half-hearted re-incarnation of the Goodison For Everton campaign. 95% of Evertonians were behind the King's Dock - no vote was needed then, but it would have been a landslide in favour. Not a 20% majority.

The Goodison for Everton group was set up in opposition to the last chairman who wanted to move us to Kirkby - and was part-funded by Bill Kenwright.

KRAG? I don't like KEIOC's involvement with them. Purely from a political point of view. KRAG are anti-Everton, KEIOC should be pro Everton, anti-Kirkby - by allying themselves with KRAG it's easy for people to throw accusations at them that aren't warranted.

 

[Goat]

Chill peeps.

 

[SimonP]

Why Simon Paul, your not getting a little hot under your apron (sorry nurses smock) there are you?
Maybe you have, maybe you havent tried and failed as a doctor but it says a lot about your character you would choose to stay at the lowest level of your chosen career and not try and better yourself.
You find it ace? Are we stuck in the 80's here
You will never see on a 'professional' basis as i wouldnt ever go to that shitehole you call your workplace.

What is the career pathway for a nurse to become a doctor then?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

EFC won't entertain anything other than Kirkby

Ah but Si, all that... especially the point highlighted there suggest the new stadium debate is something new. As you well know, it isn't. What have LCC been doing the past 10/15 years when we have been lobbying for a new stadium?

I mean, during the "exclusivity deal" - which LCC claimed prevented interaction (for how long???), Warren Bradley is spouting about a shared stadium, while admitting "do we really want to see a commercial business the size of Everton move out of the city? Of course we don't. What we have got to is do all we can to retain Everton in Liverpool" (Here) - It makes you wonder? is this regardless of what is for the good of Everton? "What we have got to is do all we can to retain them in Liverpool. We've done work on finding land and we are doing work at the moment on finding further commercial partners"

KRAG? I don't like KEIOC's involvement with them. Purely from a political point of view. KRAG are anti-Everton, KEIOC should be pro Everton, anti-Kirkby - by allying themselves with KRAG it's easy for people to throw accusations at them that aren't warranted.

I like the way you said "should". I agree.

I stood and witnessed KRAG, with KEIOC show footage of Everton Valley to the world, proudly saying "Do you want these thugs in your city?"

It does make you wonder. It really does.

There are underlying priorities involved with both groups. Make no mistake.

 

[davek]

I stood and witnessed KRAG, with KEIOC show footage of Everton Valley to the world, proudly saying "Do you want these thugs in your city?"

It does make you wonder. It really does.

There are underlying priorities involved with both groups. Make no mistake.

What are they?

 

[SimonP]

What have LCC been doing the past 10/15 years when we have been lobbying for a new stadium?

making Everton "preferred developers" for the King's Dock site and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, as Everton broke deadlines to pay the money - despite other developers threatening legal action for Everton being given "too much time" to pay up.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

making Everton "preferred developers" for the King's Dock site and waiting, and waiting, and waiting, as Everton broke deadlines to pay the money - despite other developers threatening legal action for Everton being given "too much time" to pay up.

Preferred developers?

After Liverpool turned it down you mean?

 

[SimonP]

Preferred developers?

After Liverpool turned it down you mean?

yes, preferred developers, which meant that the scheme got full support of LCC and would be passed pretty much whatever Everton planned

meaning that no other developer could even think about doing anything with the site unless Everton backed out

Liverpool never applied for the Kings' Dock by the way - they've always wanted Stanley Park and nowhere else, which is why their reports on other sites on Merseyside say they're not good enough. LFC wanted Stanley Park and nothing else, and had to work all the tricks in the book to make sure they got it - not applying for the King's Dock was one of them.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Liverpool never applied no, but they rejected the proposal initially before us as they deemed the site not big enough.

Full support of LCC? - Hmmm, did they find us the promised commercial partners? or did they know the stadium was dead in the water from word go?

Its an interesting one. Shame really that Everton were never in a position to take up the Kings Dock.

 

[davek]

Liverpool never applied no, but they rejected the proposal initially before us as they deemed the site not big enough.

Full support of LCC? - Hmmm, did they find us the promised commercial partners? or did they know the stadium was dead in the water from word go?

Its an interesting one. Shame really that Everton were never in a position to take up the Kings Dock.

They didn't need to find Everton the commercial partners, Gregg had found them. Which addresses your statement about 'shame we were never in a position to take up KD'. We we're, but Kenwright and Carter blocked the Gregg proposal.

 

[GrandOldTeam]

They didn't need to find Everton the commercial partners, Gregg had found them. Which addresses your statement about 'shame we were never in a position to take up KD'. We we're, but Kenwright and Carter blocked the Gregg proposal.

Do you know what his proposal was?.... The reverse mortgage. It was never feasible.

But I am not surprised you lay the blame at Kenwright and the clubs door again. LCC didn't need to find commercial partners? Why didn't they? What about the plan B's you harp on about?

 

[HalewoodBlue_ver.2.0]

They didn't need to find Everton the commercial partners, Gregg had found them. Which addresses your statement about 'shame we were never in a position to take up KD'. We we're, but Kenwright and Carter blocked the Gregg proposal.

They blocked it because it favoured Gregg far too much for bill. Gregg was holding us to ransom

 

[davek]

Do you know what his proposal was?.... The reverse mortgage. It was never feasible.

But I am not surprised you lay the blame at Kenwright and the clubs door again. LCC didn't need to find commercial partners? Why didn't they? What about the plan B's you harp on about?

Danny, Houston Securities were running the show and it would have been funded by them, with Everton's end of funding part of the stadium coming from sale of assets, borrowing and Gregg's end of things. Even when Gregg made it clear that he wouldn't be chipping in with the wedge he'd (apparently) put himself in the frame for a plan was there which would have seen the club in the stadium and with the ability to own it at some time in the future. What do you think is going to be the case in Kirkby? We simply own the land and not lease it from Knowsley BC? We dont have to pay back the massive debt we'll have to borrow and service?

Kenwright knew he was losing control and acted accordingly. Is Bill Kenwright a saint in your eyes who selflessly serves Everton FC?

 

[GrandOldTeam]

Danny, Houston Securities were running the show and it would have been funded by them, with Everton's end of funding part of the stadium coming from sale of assets, borrowing and Gregg's end of things. Even when Gregg made it clear that he wouldn't be chipping in with the wedge he'd (apparently) put himself in the frame for a plan was there which would have seen the club in the stadium and with the ability to own it at some time in the future. What do you think is going to be the case in Kirkby? We simply own the land and not lease it from Knowsley BC? We dont have to pay back the massive debt we'll have to borrow and service?

Kenwright knew he was losing control and acted accordingly. Is Bill Kenwright a saint in your eyes who selflessly serves Everton FC?

Go back in time. Let Google be your friend. Even TW writers were against Greggs proposal. LCC didn't provide any commercial partners - which they are quick to assure us they are now searching for. Why now and not then?

 

[davek]

Go back in time. Let Google be your friend. Even TW writers were against Greggs proposal. LCC didn't provide any commercial partners - which they are quick to assure us they are now searching for. Why now and not then?

Danny, you are either on a blatant fishing expedition (probable) or you're deluded if you think Liverpool City Council weren't instrumental in oiling the wheels of the Kings Dock project. Forget about commercial partners, you know that they were sorted.