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Star Wars - Episode VII

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Saw last night and thought it was brilliant! I am no aficionado though so may have been easier pleased than some but it is a great action film with a nod to the past. I feel like there was a lot of similarities to the originals as they are setting the scene for the following films. Felt like this was almost an introduction and a crossover film linking the old ones to this trilogy.

There was one part of the film that did feel massively like it was straight from a Red Dwarf episode! Ha ha
 
What someone else said rings true with my own thoughts:
I think this article is spot on. It doesn't dislike the film and neither did I. It's refreshing to see so many 'in camera' effects and that weighty feel of real film stock. I grew up with that. But as the author says, its basically a remake of A New Hope and after waiting 30 years i was looking forward to something a lot more original than watching roughly the same people destroy the Death Star for a 3rd time. It left me feeling a bit cheated. I thought it was lazy story writing. It's Episode 7 not Episode 4 version 2. I just wasn't expecting a remake. Think of all the other possibilities they could have explored with this depth of back story. The Universe was their Oyster!. No wonder they kept the plot firmly under wraps. It's amazing how the hype and euphoria has distracted everyone from what i think is the most important part of the film making process and the thing i was looking forward to the most.... An original story!.
 
bol-uk said:
What someone else said rings true with my own thoughts:
I think this article is spot on. It doesn't dislike the film and neither did I. It's refreshing to see so many 'in camera' effects and that weighty feel of real film stock. I grew up with that. But as the author says, its basically a remake of A New Hope and after waiting 30 years i was looking forward to something a lot more original than watching roughly the same people destroy the Death Star for a 3rd time. It left me feeling a bit cheated. I thought it was lazy story writing. It's Episode 7 not Episode 4 version 2. I just wasn't expecting a remake. Think of all the other possibilities they could have explored with this depth of back story. The Universe was their Oyster!. No wonder they kept the plot firmly under wraps. It's amazing how the hype and euphoria has distracted everyone from what i think is the most important part of the film making process and the thing i was looking forward to the most.... An original story!.
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Time wont be kind to it that's for sure!
 
bol-uk said:
What someone else said rings true with my own thoughts:
I think this article is spot on. It doesn't dislike the film and neither did I. It's refreshing to see so many 'in camera' effects and that weighty feel of real film stock. I grew up with that. But as the author says, its basically a remake of A New Hope and after waiting 30 years i was looking forward to something a lot more original than watching roughly the same people destroy the Death Star for a 3rd time. It left me feeling a bit cheated. I thought it was lazy story writing. It's Episode 7 not Episode 4 version 2. I just wasn't expecting a remake. Think of all the other possibilities they could have explored with this depth of back story. The Universe was their Oyster!. No wonder they kept the plot firmly under wraps. It's amazing how the hype and euphoria has distracted everyone from what i think is the most important part of the film making process and the thing i was looking forward to the most.... An original story!.
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Maybe the fact that there has been a 30 year gap has meant that a whole new audience will be watching these and possibly without having seen the originals? Perhaps this is the transitional film that is aimed at trying to introduce new people whilst also pleasing the older generation?
 

GlosBlue said:
Maybe the fact that there has been a 30 year gap has meant that a whole new audience will be watching these and possibly without having seen the originals? Perhaps this is the transitional film that is aimed at trying to introduce new people whilst also pleasing the older generation?
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It is either a remake or it isn't!

If they just said, it is basically the same, then everyone would be a bit more up to date with their plan and I would feel a little less cheated.
 
bol-uk said:
What someone else said rings true with my own thoughts:
I think this article is spot on. It doesn't dislike the film and neither did I. It's refreshing to see so many 'in camera' effects and that weighty feel of real film stock. I grew up with that. But as the author says, its basically a remake of A New Hope and after waiting 30 years i was looking forward to something a lot more original than watching roughly the same people destroy the Death Star for a 3rd time. It left me feeling a bit cheated. I thought it was lazy story writing. It's Episode 7 not Episode 4 version 2. I just wasn't expecting a remake. Think of all the other possibilities they could have explored with this depth of back story. The Universe was their Oyster!. No wonder they kept the plot firmly under wraps. It's amazing how the hype and euphoria has distracted everyone from what i think is the most important part of the film making process and the thing i was looking forward to the most.... An original story!.
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Certainly this is a popular train of thought at the moment. however, if you consider it logically. What else would the remnants of the empire do, but continue the work laid down by the original empire? Until the rebels / republic come up with some sort of defence against the "Death Star", why would the first order not continue to use it, the Death Star weapon is their most power weapon. The new one is called "starkiler base" it is larger and in many ways superior to the previous Death Stars. This tends to be what happens in war, people create larger and larger weapons.

Without Fin, the rebels would not have known how to destroy the Star Killer Base, without Han, Chewie, Fin and Rey disabling the defences, Poe wouldn't have had a chance to blow it up. It was much more difficult to destroy, than the original.

The key part for me is where the story goes now. Both the Republic and First Order took heavy losses during episode 7 and I think it doubtful that a second starkiler base would feature in episode 8, I think either the rebels will chase down Snoke and take the fight to him, or Snoke will take the fight to the rebels base. All the while Luke is training Rey and Kylo Ren is completing his Sith training.
 
bol-uk said:
What someone else said rings true with my own thoughts:
I think this article is spot on. It doesn't dislike the film and neither did I. It's refreshing to see so many 'in camera' effects and that weighty feel of real film stock. I grew up with that. But as the author says, its basically a remake of A New Hope and after waiting 30 years i was looking forward to something a lot more original than watching roughly the same people destroy the Death Star for a 3rd time. It left me feeling a bit cheated. I thought it was lazy story writing. It's Episode 7 not Episode 4 version 2. I just wasn't expecting a remake. Think of all the other possibilities they could have explored with this depth of back story. The Universe was their Oyster!. No wonder they kept the plot firmly under wraps. It's amazing how the hype and euphoria has distracted everyone from what i think is the most important part of the film making process and the thing i was looking forward to the most.... An original story!.
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Might wanna stick a Spoiler alert on that mate....
 
Personally, I was devastated when they killed of Max Von Sydow's character in the opening few minutes. Love that man - one of my favourite character actors ever.
 

BlueLlama said:
people bitching about Rey beating Kylo in the saber battle are forgetting that Chewie blew Kylos side off with a laser bolt. He was fighting severely injured.
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Fair point.....and I suppose they had also established that Rey (although not Jedi trained yet) had learned self defence to protect herself from being robbed, and was a bit of a bad ass.....Still thought it made Ren look a bit weak though but fair enough (personally I don't like seeing the villain look weak....In the original 3, Darth Vader never looked weak till the very end (that's what made him unique, a strong villain that kick ass
Another negative about Ren...his face...keep the mask on lad
 
N.S.N.O. said:
Fair point.....and I suppose they had also established that Rey (although not Jedi trained yet) had learned self defence to protect herself from being robbed, and was a bit of a bad ass.....Still thought it made Ren look a bit weak though but fair enough (personally I don't like seeing the villain look weak....In the original 3, Darth Vader never looked weak till the very end (that's what made him unique, a strong villain that kick ass
Another negative about Ren...his face...keep the mask on lad
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No, I quite liked how vulnerable Ren was, quite a pleasing departure. His battle with the light was a good subversion of the original plot, and it's great how powerful he seems when he's charging about in his mask when, in reality, he's just a boy.
 
Prevenger17 said:
No, I quite liked how vulnerable Ren was, quite a pleasing departure. His battle with the light was a good subversion of the original plot, and it's great how powerful he seems when he's charging about in his mask when, in reality, he's just a boy.
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Bad parenting by Han & Leia though....reckon it was cause of Leia's drink & drug problems....that's why Han left her too....
 
evilwebby said:
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Watched it. A bit "meh" all in all although not without it's high points.

The overarching problem is, knowing it's the first film in a trilogy, it purposefully leaves far more questions than answers, so just doesn't stand up as a strong film by itself. The main "plot" is just an unbelieveably lazy mcguffin.

Overall I think it's about on par with Attack of the clones. Watchable and fun because it does a good job of taking us back into the SW universe but not a "good film" by any stretch of the imagination.
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Good job concealling those spoilers there, Webby. It definitely is a good film. It's well directed, produced and acted. If you never saw the originals, I imagine your mind would have been blown coming out of the cinema. For me, any dramatic tension in the final third of the film was destroyed by, as you say, an unbelievably lazy mcguffin. It's not like the last Superman film which I thought was turd on a stick from start to finish, this is actually a good movie. If the plot actually had a fresh direction, it could have been better than TESB, and that's what I find most disappointing. How good it could have been.
 

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