Summer Transfer Window 2017

[JLW]

Baines and Jagielka: stick a fork in those two, they're done. They are the players of two managers ago and not fit for purpose. Get shut.

Williams: I have to hold my hand up here and say I got this one dreadfully wrong. I thought he was exactly what we need, given his leadership qualities. I dont see that at Everton, and I now see how limited his game is close up.

Mori: I like the player. He has something that maybe needs a shift elsewhere to bring out. A move to a mid-table Spanish club would possibly suit.

Coleman: retain. A very good competitor and has potency in him up front. Should be made captain even in his rehabilitation period to underline he's very much still in the plan.

Baines is not done, he's not the marauding FB he once was but that maybe down to managers instructions (hence why we have a better defense)
Jags yes i agree..
I also agree with Coleman being made captain.
Williams has been an ever present all season and is part of the 3rd or 4th best defense in the league, so he must be doing something right.. He has had some dodgy moments like.

 

[davek]

Baines is not done, he's not the marauding FB he once was but that maybe down to managers instructions (hence why we have a better defense)
Jags yes i agree..
I also agree with Coleman being made captain.
Williams has been an ever present all season and is part of the 3rd or 4th best defense in the league, so he must be doing something right.. He has had some dodgy moments like.

There's one defensive player presently who should be an automatic starter next season: Coleman when he's fit again.

The rest are nowhere near quality enough. Not if the object is to get CL football.

 

[Kenshin]

Thats all well and good mate, but we was skint back then really.

And we will sign these type of players....but we really NEED to think bigger, if we want to become bigger.

Now, signing McGuire would be nice....if we also signed Virgil from Southampton. Otherwise, its just more of the same and its the reason we wont push on to that next level.

Coleman was a lucky one, and no doubt we could do the same again. But would you go and look in the Irish league for a starting right back to challeng the CL ???

Im not writting these players off, I just think we need better.

An attitude change is needed, from all of us.

I get your side of it and in certain areas of the pitch you are right. we couldn't replace Lukaku with a up and coming striker and wonder why we aren't winning or sign a championship winger and wonder why we aren't creative. There is sort of limits to signing those sorts of players but personally i think the defence is more open to being able to being improved that way. you could have a big lumbering centre half who turns like the QE2, but if the strikers tend to just bounce off him rather than beat him then he is doing his job, whether he was signed from barcelona or bradford. first and foremost the defence doesn't have to be glamorous or flashy, it just needs to be hard to score against. So in that regard i am less fussy in where the defenders come from as long as they know how to defend.

but down the other end of the pitch, we absolutely need to think bigger and better if we want to progress. I fully expect us to replace ROm with a 30-40 million pound striker rather than go cheap. I am hoping for better wingers to some in, would love to see another CM to come in who really compliments what we have, that sort of thing.

 

[Pabbers]

I get your side of it and in certain areas of the pitch you are right. we couldn't replace Lukaku with a up and coming striker and wonder why we aren't winning or sign a championship winger and wonder why we aren't creative. There is sort of limits to signing those sorts of players but personally i think the defence is more open to being able to being improved that way. you could have a big lumbering centre half who turns like the QE2, but if the strikers tend to just bounce off him rather than beat him then he is doing his job, whether he was signed from barcelona or bradford. first and foremost the defence doesn't have to be glamorous or flashy, it just needs to be hard to score against. So in that regard i am less fussy in where the defenders come from as long as they know how to defend.

but down the other end of the pitch, we absolutely need to think bigger and better if we want to progress. I fully expect us to replace ROm with a 30-40 million pound striker rather than go cheap. I am hoping for better wingers to some in, would love to see another CM to come in who really compliments what we have, that sort of thing.

I think that attitude is needed all over the pitch.

If McGuire is so good, why are Hull struggling etc. It is a balance though, and I want a top level defender, one who has proved he can play at the level we want to.

Robles now, he is ok. And maybe 5/8 years ago he would be fine for 1st choice, but he is just not good enough to push that top 4, neither now is Baines, or Williams imo. We need a massive change at the back.

 

[USABlue]

I think that attitude is needed all over the pitch.

If McGuire is so good, why are Hull struggling etc. It is a balance though, and I want a top level defender, one who has proved he can play at the level we want to.

You could've said the same thing about gueye though. That Villa team last year was unbelievably gash and he's been our best player besides Rom

 

[Pabbers]

You could've said the same thing about gueye though. That Villa team last year was unbelievably gash and he's been our best player besides Rom

Yes, but he is also not the player to push us onto the top 4, but adding Shneiderlin has more though.

Thats what im saying, McGuire would be good IF we also added a top level CB.

 

[marchy]

Baines and Jagielka: stick a fork in those two, they're done. They are the players of two managers ago and not fit for purpose. Get shut.

Williams: I have to hold my hand up here and say I got this one dreadfully wrong. I thought he was exactly what we need, given his leadership qualities. I dont see that at Everton, and I now see how limited his game is close up.

Mori: I like the player. He has something that maybe needs a shift elsewhere to bring out. A move to a mid-table Spanish club would possibly suit.

Coleman: retain. A very good competitor and has potency in him up front. Should be made captain even in his rehabilitation period to underline he's very much still in the plan.

Jags definetly needs replacing and I'd argue he has been with Williams. You need experience at the back and Williams has done okay this season, not as well as many expected but put a younger (than Jags) better (that Funes-Mori) player alongisde him like Keane and I think we'll see his qualities. Baines still has a part to play, he needs replacin but not straight away, we need a younger player to either come in or for one of the under 23s to step up to provide competition and ultimately take over from im. I though Garbutt might be that player but he seems to have gone backwards and probably isn't the type of full back thats suits Koeman.

Funes Mori is the type of player you want to do well but he just doesn't look capable, he certainly can't be the dominate partner in a pairing. I'm not sure he'll be sold in the summer but I don't see any long term future for him.

 

[BlueToff]

Yes, but he is also not the player to push us onto the top 4, but adding Shneiderlin has more though.

Thats what im saying, McGuire would be good IF we also added a top level CB.

I think that'd be the plan mate.

We're definitely going to go for Keane.

In an ideal world, Keane and Virjil would be the two to come in, with Jags leaving.

Throw in say, Robertson, as left-back cover/eventual Baines replacement, and you've got a very decent batch of defenders to deal with Europe and league demands.

I know Seamus will be out until Christmas at least, but Holgate will be given the chance to make the RB position his own in the time being.

 

[Pabbers]

I think that'd be the plan mate.

We're definitely going to go for Keane.

In an ideal world, Keane and Virjil would be the two to come in, with Jags leaving.

Throw in say, Robertson, as left-back cover/eventual Baines replacement, and you've got a very decent batch of defenders to deal with Europe and league demands.

I know Seamus will be out until Christmas at least, but Holgate will be given the chance to make the RB position his own in the time being.

That sounds good to me, very expensive mind.

Circa £80 million for those 3, and I think we need a new keeper.

 

[davek]

Jags definetly needs replacing and I'd argue he has been with Williams. You need experience at the back and Williams has done okay this season, not as well as many expected but put a younger (than Jags) better (that Funes-Mori) player alongisde him like Keane and I think we'll see his qualities. Baines still has a part to play, he needs replacin but not straight away, we need a younger player to either come in or for one of the under 23s to step up to provide competition and ultimately take over from im. I though Garbutt might be that player but he seems to have gone backwards and probably isn't the type of full back thats suits Koeman.

Funes Mori is the type of player you want to do well but he just doesn't look capable, he certainly can't be the dominate partner in a pairing. I'm not sure he'll be sold in the summer but I don't see any long term future for him.

EWhat you say there just underlines that we're in some grey area between older players on the ay out and newer better players to come in. Why not just cut through the Gordian knot and hurry the process up? Just get shut if we have the cash (and "apparently" we do) and restructure now.

 

[marchy]

That sounds good to me, very expensive mind.

Circa £80 million for those 3, and I think we need a new keeper.

Just culling all the players who need replacing in one fell swoop isn't realistic and would probably set us back, it smacks of Football Manager to be honest. What we've seen this season is steady progression to get us back to where we were at the end of Martinez's first season which is on the tail coats of the top 4. There are 2 or 3 areas of the team where I think we need definite improvement, centre back and a wide forward or creative midfielder and potentially a keeper. In an ideal world at least of those signings would be a "marquee" type that would make people take notice and be the kind of player Lukaku allueded to. Keane and Gibson aren't really this type of player but would be excellent additions, VVD certainly would be. What we do need to do is strengthen the squad in such a way that we can phase out those players who are aging or are simply not good enough. To be fair Koeman pretty much got rid of all those who fall in the second category in Jan.

Signing players lie Tielmans, Tiernay or Childwell would strengthen the squad and provide a type of player who could challenge an established first teamer over the course of the year, like Holgate, Davies, Lookman and Calvert-Lewin currrntly are.

I don't see value in trying to integrate 5 or 6 or more new players in to the starting 11 come the start of the season and don't believe it would see us continue to progress.

 

[Pabbers]

Just culling all the players who need replacing in one fell swoop isn't realistic and would probably set us back, it smacks of Football Manager to be honest. What we've seen this season is steady progression to get us back to where we were at the end of Martinez's first season which is on the tail coats of the top 4. There are 2 or 3 areas of the team where I think we need definite improvement, centre back and a wide forward or creative midfielder and potentially a keeper. In an ideal world at least of those signings would be a "marquee" type that would make people take notice and be the kind of player Lukaku allueded to. Keane and Gibson aren't really this type of player but would be excellent additions, VVD certainly would be. What we do need to do is strengthen the squad in such a way that we can phase out those players who are aging or are simply not good enough. To be fair Koeman pretty much got rid of all those who fall in the second category in Jan.

Signing players lie Tielmans, Tiernay or Childwell would strengthen the squad and provide a type of player who could challenge an established first teamer over the course of the year, like Holgate, Davies, Lookman and Calvert-Lewin currrntly are.

I don't see value in trying to integrate 5 or 6 or more new players in to the starting 11 come the start of the season and don't believe it would see us continue to progress.

Agree with all that mate, but even the players you mentioned will be costing over £100 million!!!

 

[Tel001]

Thats why Davek is stuck on a forum lambasting Koeman and not in the actual hot seat! Defenses need stability, trying to start the season with a brand new back 5 would be madness. I'd imagine we'll 1 first choice centre back who'll partner Williams at the start of the season, any other defenders signed will be to provie back up or competition but I'd be surpirsed if any were automatic first choices with the excetpion of a replacement for Coleman until he is fit.

I think we could have changed the two CB in one window... but with Coleman needing to be replaced ... I would just sign the 1cb and a RB ... again resulting from the Coleman situation and him possibly never coming back from his injury ... whole of the back 4will need replacing over the next 2 seasons... and Mori IMO isn't good enough... but like you said... changing the back 5 (nearly half the starting 11) shouldn't be done in a single window because defences rely on stability.

 

[Tel001]

There's one defensive player presently who should be an automatic starter next season: Coleman when he's fit again.

The rest are nowhere near quality enough. Not if the object is to get CL football.

Bollocks lol

Baines would walk into city,rs, and arsenals first 11... two of them are CL regulars...

 

[davek]

Bollocks lol

Baines would walk into city,rs, and arsenals first 11... two of them are CL regulars...

I thought for a second there you said Baines could get a start at City and Arsenal....oh....

We live in the past with players. If this club is to make the leap forward we have to get ruthless: fallen irreversibly from previous standards? Yes. Then there's the door. And THAT is exactly the position we are in with Baines and Jagielka, and I dont think Williams will be too far behind them out the door.

An ambitious (a really ambitious) club would act decisively. Us? We'll let them hang around for another season or two longer than we should do.