st.domingo
Player Valuation: £8m
It’s about clear vision, isn’t it? As you say, he would be taking a step down in terms of glamour, but if you’re prepared to grasp the nettle and make the best of things, then why not?
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Tony’s Carp
Player Valuation: £50m
Dumfries went for 25m. We spent 1.7m that summer and still have ended up with FFP charges. The reason we didn't sign him is nothing to do with whether he was or wasn't good enough.
A holding company no!
Exactly the club doesn’t own the ground the shareholders do privately. Aston Villa football club doesn’t own a ground, conceivably they can sell the club, keep the stadium or sell to a third party or level it and turn into an Aldi or apartments, if they wish. Charge the club rent etc.
We have two grounds at the moment, both owned by Everton football club, the second managed by Everton stadium company limited owned by Everton football club - not blue heaven holding - who hold Moshiris Everton shareholding.
Conceivably any majority shareholder can separate the ground from the club - but haven’t - wonder why……it’s toxic ESL stuff, your ownership in an outlier.
A question is to why - you may know more than me - but as you mentioned if administration was a risk - why not just give a shareholder loan to the club and turn into equity - if there was nothing but good intentions or more shares etc….
I mean why would they want the ground if their intentions aren’t beyond question over other ways of giving capital annd getting cash flow into the club.
Also who is paying for the stadium refurb will it be the shareholders privately or Aston Villa football club.
Also be interesting if Villa ever needed to raise finance and not having a ground as an asset.
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lancs blue
Player Valuation: £35m
With the board smothered in silence we need a signing to show intent that next season will be taken seriously
I don't hold out for much hope...
I don't hold out for much hope...
Isn't there a thread on world football for other clubs transfers.
Why are villa been discussed on this one. Off topic.
Why are villa been discussed on this one. Off topic.
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Ground ownership is a tricky one for the FA. A club should not be allowed to sell the ground to a 3rd party, that is just a disaster and will come back to bite. Villa sold the ground to themselves which is completely wrong from an FFP perspective but the rules allowed us to 'cheat' by doing so and the rules have since been changed to stop it from happening. As for raising finance, I would assume that would be easy enough if we are still in the PL but to date the owners don't use finance and have funded all investments themselves as equity, there is no debt from Villa to the owners (we are very lucky). when the ground was sold it only had a value of about 50m, I believe the ground is a protected building and it cannot be used for any other purpose so it has a minimal commercial value from an investment perspective as it cant become a block of flats or a Tesco etc.
There was more than a chance let's put it mildly
DavidH
Player Valuation: £20m
Never liked topics me. Do they even still do them? Twirl bar is where it was at in the 90's. Them and the paradox.
I know the details , and believe it or not there was a possibility to get that deal done , the manager and bizzarly a lot of the fanbase didn't think he was good enough lol.
That was my reference There.
lancs blue
Player Valuation: £35m
Nothing happening re everton best keeping thread alive mentioning other clubs
joebocop
Player Valuation: £8m
We didn't get him because we weren't good enough for him at the time. It was never on the cards.
No. Not really. Couldn't care less about the likes of villa .
Tony’s Carp
Player Valuation: £50m
If we were able to spend the 25m or whatever on Dumfries then even if we decided we didn't fancy him, why didn't we ultimately spend the money on someone else? Given what we now know about our FFP position over that period I don't understand how we could have made such a signing without pushing ourselves way over the line, unless it involved a sale of the similar value?
I don’t share the nothing to see here take you take mate, but understand the hope for the best now it’s done approach, this is a very bad thing for Aston Villa football club in my opinion and for football over all that such a historic ground can be separated from a football club.
Everton have to raise 250 mill minimum to pay for our new ground, we have two fixed assets we can use as securing, the market won’t lend us 250 in the current market, so we need private investment of 100 mill from MSP to risk reduce and we can raise the final 150 mill. Villa without a fixed asset if in a similar position and need to raise funds - say for the redevelopment may struggle in the market.
Again ultimately Aston Villa football club don’t own a ground and are the mercy of shareholders who took the unusual step of separating the club from their ground, when they could have invested without that separation - it was unnecessary with alternatives therefore you have to query the motivation.
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