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Summer transfer window 2023

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PhilRegan said:
I know the details , and believe it or not there was a possibility to get that deal done , the manager and bizzarly a lot of the fanbase didn't think he was good enough lol.

That was my reference There.
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Dumfries is real quality, Would love to sign him but I expect he is out of the reach of many clubs now
 
Neiler said:
I don’t share the nothing to see here take you take mate, but understand the hope for the best now it’s done approach, this is a very bad thing for Aston Villa football club in my opinion and for football over all that such a historic ground can be separated from a football club.

Everton have to raise 250 mill minimum to pay for our new ground, we have two fixed assets we can use as securing, the market won’t lend us 250 in the current market, so we need private investment of 100 mill from MSP to risk reduce and we can raise the final 150 mill. Villa without a fixed asset if in a similar position and need to raise funds - say for the redevelopment may struggle in the market.

Again ultimately Aston Villa football club don’t own a ground and are the mercy of shareholders who took the unusual step of separating the club from their ground, when they could have invested without that separation - it was unnecessary with alternatives therefore you have to query the motivation.
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Look at the Villa accounts. Zero debt, Revenue circa 200m, there isn't a financial institution that wouldn't throw money at Villa. If the owners wanted to raise capital they can still use Villa Park as collateral as they own 100% of it. Further, there are no external investment companies looking for a return on their investment with any say in what can or can't be done.
 
Tony’s Carp said:
If we were able to spend the 25m or whatever on Dumfries then even if we decided we didn't fancy him, why didn't we ultimately spend the money on someone else? Given what we now know about our FFP position over that period I don't understand how we could have made such a signing without pushing ourselves way over the line, unless it involved a sale of the similar value?
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We pushed it with a certain washed up spurs player unfortunately it was all the same risks
 

Villa_Fan said:
Look at the Villa accounts. Zero debt, Revenue circa 200m, there isn't a financial institution that wouldn't throw money at Villa. If the owners wanted to raise capital they can still use Villa Park as collateral as they own 100% of it. Further, there are no external investment companies looking for a return on their investment with any say in what can or can't be done.
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£178 mill turnover.

But also a loss making company with a 75% of turnover taken up with wages and high level of amortisation. Without the Grealish money you would have made an operational loss of close to 100 mill that year - that’s as bad as us really. And even with two fixed assets in the clubs ownership we have to reduce risk to raise capital on the market.

We won’t agree and maybe it’s hard to be objective over your own club.

It’s an Everton forum after all, so I’ll leave the Villa problems there! Good debate mate! ;)
 

Villa_Fan said:
Look at the Villa accounts. Zero debt, Revenue circa 200m, there isn't a financial institution that wouldn't throw money at Villa. If the owners wanted to raise capital they can still use Villa Park as collateral as they own 100% of it. Further, there are no external investment companies looking for a return on their investment with any say in what can or can't be done.
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The issue you have, and it's not unique to Villa, is that wages costs are high compared to turnover (which is actually a fair bit below £200m). You are effectively gambling on CL, which may or may not happen (but it's tough).

You will probably be ok for a bit re money coming in, but from a regulatory standpoint, it wouldn't surprise me if you start to run it close.

The Grealish transfer helped enormously, but you will need another one soonish. Lukaku and to a lesser degree Stones kept us ok for the first few years, but once you run out of those sort of sale's, it does become harder.

Well done on Europe by the way!
 
Villa_Fan said:
Buendia is a starter for Villa and a really important part of the team, he is proving his worth. Couts is a disaster. Digne is not surplus, he is out backup LB which is needed, Moreno got injured towards the end of the season and Digne stepped up and got us across the line to finish 7th. Tiellemans is on a free, I have no idea of his wages or contract term but if 100k a week and 4 years that is a total cost of about 20m. 20m gets very little in the PL these days and wages. With extra games next year the squad needs to be strengthened.
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I'd imagine Tielemans will be on more, but you will know better than me.

Paying £25m for a 28 year old backup full back is crazy business mate. I have nothing against Digne and thought the criticism he had at Goodison was harsh. But that is the road to ruin. With a turnover of 180m ish, you can't be paying those sort of fees, and hefty wages on lads who are back up defenders.
 
catcherintherye said:
In what sense mate?
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…I’m a believer in having acceptance criteria in respect of buying players and even extending contracts. If you like, boxes to tick. For example;

Decent record as far as injuries are concerned, particularly avoid a history of thigh muscle problems (Delph would never be signed).
Plays with attitude. Winning games of Football is important to them.
Good athleticism, if defenders they have powers of recovery.

etc.
 
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Eggs said:
…I’m a believer in having acceptance criteria in respect of buying players and even extending contracts. If you like, boxes to tick. For example;

Decent record as far as injuries are concerned, particularly avoid a history of thigh muscle problems (Delph would never be signed).
Plays with attitude. Winning games of Football is important to them.
Good athleticism, if defenders they have powers of recovery.

etc.
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Ah got you.

Yes I agree 100%. Im basically in favour of quite stringent rules, that have to be followed.
 

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