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The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%
  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%
  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%
  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%
  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%

  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
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The big news coming out of Labour HQ is Milibands meeting with the union bosses tonight.

If the conservatives do win the most seats but it's evident a Lab/SNP pact would be (In combined seat terms) the more legitimate government then Union bosses have said they should offer the Lib Dems potential voting reform (again). A very smart move, especially if Clegg is toppled.
 
I wanted to post a Status Quo joke but it'd be way too forced :(

Instead I'll say I'm surprised that's coming from a Conservative but fair play to him for speaking his mind. I seem to remember Portillo being gracious in defeat in 1997 too, as was John Major.

It's a shame that politicians only seem decent when they're not politicians anymore. I'll be voting Labour, but I'm not sure I trust them anymore than any other party, although I'm not voting for them simply for the sake of it - there are reasons for me voting Labour of course.

This is exactly my line of thinking. It's a disgrace really, we're deciding who is going to run our country and we can't trust any of them. Why are we having to vote for people we don't really trust?
 
The arts, including drama, is integral to society for a whole host of reasons. The impact that drama can have on children in the school environment for example can absolutely not be underestimated, and University courses are required to bring through teachers in those positions. You start going down a dangerous path towards utilitarianism labelling it a 'luxury'.

Well said, old boy.
 
That's not really answering the question though is it friend.

If University was free for all you would almost certainly see a free for all, in terms of applications. I'll be conservative and say that 500,000 UK students would apply every year if that was the case. The approximate cost of that education assuming the £9,000 figure stays in place would be £4.5bn per year for three years for every student.

That's an awful lot of money.

You need to think that one through, though.
 
I'd hazard a guess that the only people posting in this thread on a regular basis knew their voting intentions months ago and havn't changed them. Essentially political discussion of this sort tends to cement views, rather than change them.

Far be it for me to criticise, but I will anyway, but those of you here who want to actually change peoples views could have found far more productive ways of doing it than on a footie forum.

Just my two cents like ;)
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http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...macy-democratic-ed-miliband-government-labour

The Tories are plotting a coup in the name of legitimacy

It’s possible that the Tories may yet pull it off, as their Australian alchemist, Lynton Crosby, has always promised. The main parties may still be almost neck and neck. But undecided voters could break to the Conservatives. Soft Ukip supporters could finally deliver David Cameron the votes he needs to stay in Downing Street.

If so, we know what to expect. With or without Nick Clegg, it will mean even deeper austerity, harsher cuts to social security, accelerating NHS privatisation, more attacks on workers’ rights, new handouts to the wealthy, more poverty and job insecurity, and perhaps another downturn in the slowest economic recovery on record.

But so far the numbers still aren’t there. So in case Thursday’s election doesn’t deliver a parliamentary majority for Cameron – even with the support of the Liberal Democrats, Ulster unionists and Ukip – the Tories and their media cheerleaders are moving to implement Plan B. After weeks of stoking English nationalism and painting the Scottish National Party as a mortal threat, aimed at sapping Labour support north and south of the border, the Tory machine has a new focus: any government led by Ed Miliband and dependent on SNP votes, Conservative politicians and their press pack now claim, would be “illegitimate”.

The home secretary, Theresa May, declared that it would create the “worst crisis since the abdication”. Now the prime minister and his allies insist a Labour government would be a “con trick” – and, in an ominous vein, that Miliband is out to “seize power” without winning the largest number of seats.

The press onslaught on Labour now outstrips even that meted out to Neil Kinnock in the 80s and 90s. The non-dom- or tax exile-owned Mail, Express, Telegraph and Murdoch media groups have unleashed an avalanche of propaganda against Miliband, whose modest break with the political and corporate consensus has created something close to panic in parts of the establishment. His plans to tax the rich, and non-doms in particular, make it personal.

If, as the polls suggest, the Tories end up marginally ahead on seats and votes, Cameron can try to form an administration with the support of the defeated Liberal Democrats, the regularly homophobic Democratic Unionist party and the racially inflammatory Ukip. But if they can’t reach the effective majority of 323, then it falls to Miliband to assemble a government that can.

If it won the support of a majority of MPs, to reject that government as illegitimate and seek to bring it down would effectively be to support a constitutional coup. But that is exactly what the Conservatives and their friends have made clear they intend to do.

The idea is for Cameron to cling on to power and try to break the resolve of a Labour-led parliamentary majority to vote him down. Even the oligarch-owned Independent, now backing the Tories, claimed yesterday that Britain faced a democratic “legitimacy crisis”.

It doesn’t. If Miliband were to command a majority in parliament, it would be likely to include Labour, the SNP, the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SDLP, among others, representing perhaps 44% of the electorate. A Labour-Lib Dem deal would take that well over 50%.

On the other hand, if Cameron were to agree a new coalition with Clegg, it would be on the basis of maybe 42% of the vote, down from 59% when the first Tory-Lib Dem deal was struck in 2010. He might be able to tack on DUP and Ukip support, but teaming up a party that has shed numerous seats with the biggest loser of the night scarcely sounds like a model of democratic legitimacy.

If Cameron fails to form a government, the political and media establishment will pull out every stop to prevent Miliband becoming prime minister. It won’t just be a wall of noise about “legitimacy” and chaos. Already some rightwing Labour figures are being primed to try a mini-coup of their own, echoing the Tory claim that the second largest party shouldn’t lead a government. If Cameron and Clegg come close to a majority, a handful of Labour defections could even take them over the line.

Miliband hasn’t made it any easier for himself by giving credence to the insidious claim that any deals with the SNP – likely to be the third largest party – would be beyond the political pale. Some in the Labour leadership would welcome a pact with the Lib Dems, not only for stabilising ballast in parliament but as insulation against the potential influence of the Labour left. But that might require the head of Clegg. If all else fails, the Tories and their media friends will try to force another election.

The only way to counter the onslaught that will be unleashed if voters return an anti-Tory majority is to turn the tables on the real losers. It would be a naked struggle for power in which the other side certainly won’t play by the Queensberry rules. But if Cameron and Clegg lose control of parliament in this election, it will be a rejection of the Westminster establishment and a mandate for change. For the sake of the disabled, food bank users, zero-hours contract workers and those crushed by the bedroom tax, among millions of others, that would need to be turned into a change of government and political direction. Far from being illegitimate, it would be the democratic outcome.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...macy-democratic-ed-miliband-government-labour

The Tories are plotting a coup in the name of legitimacy

It’s possible that the Tories may yet pull it off, as their Australian alchemist, Lynton Crosby, has always promised. The main parties may still be almost neck and neck. But undecided voters could break to the Conservatives. Soft Ukip supporters could finally deliver David Cameron the votes he needs to stay in Downing Street.

If so, we know what to expect. With or without Nick Clegg, it will mean even deeper austerity, harsher cuts to social security, accelerating NHS privatisation, more attacks on workers’ rights, new handouts to the wealthy, more poverty and job insecurity, and perhaps another downturn in the slowest economic recovery on record.

But so far the numbers still aren’t there. So in case Thursday’s election doesn’t deliver a parliamentary majority for Cameron – even with the support of the Liberal Democrats, Ulster unionists and Ukip – the Tories and their media cheerleaders are moving to implement Plan B. After weeks of stoking English nationalism and painting the Scottish National Party as a mortal threat, aimed at sapping Labour support north and south of the border, the Tory machine has a new focus: any government led by Ed Miliband and dependent on SNP votes, Conservative politicians and their press pack now claim, would be “illegitimate”.

The home secretary, Theresa May, declared that it would create the “worst crisis since the abdication”. Now the prime minister and his allies insist a Labour government would be a “con trick” – and, in an ominous vein, that Miliband is out to “seize power” without winning the largest number of seats.

The press onslaught on Labour now outstrips even that meted out to Neil Kinnock in the 80s and 90s. The non-dom- or tax exile-owned Mail, Express, Telegraph and Murdoch media groups have unleashed an avalanche of propaganda against Miliband, whose modest break with the political and corporate consensus has created something close to panic in parts of the establishment. His plans to tax the rich, and non-doms in particular, make it personal.

If, as the polls suggest, the Tories end up marginally ahead on seats and votes, Cameron can try to form an administration with the support of the defeated Liberal Democrats, the regularly homophobic Democratic Unionist party and the racially inflammatory Ukip. But if they can’t reach the effective majority of 323, then it falls to Miliband to assemble a government that can.

If it won the support of a majority of MPs, to reject that government as illegitimate and seek to bring it down would effectively be to support a constitutional coup. But that is exactly what the Conservatives and their friends have made clear they intend to do.

The idea is for Cameron to cling on to power and try to break the resolve of a Labour-led parliamentary majority to vote him down. Even the oligarch-owned Independent, now backing the Tories, claimed yesterday that Britain faced a democratic “legitimacy crisis”.

It doesn’t. If Miliband were to command a majority in parliament, it would be likely to include Labour, the SNP, the Greens, Plaid Cymru and the SDLP, among others, representing perhaps 44% of the electorate. A Labour-Lib Dem deal would take that well over 50%.

On the other hand, if Cameron were to agree a new coalition with Clegg, it would be on the basis of maybe 42% of the vote, down from 59% when the first Tory-Lib Dem deal was struck in 2010. He might be able to tack on DUP and Ukip support, but teaming up a party that has shed numerous seats with the biggest loser of the night scarcely sounds like a model of democratic legitimacy.

If Cameron fails to form a government, the political and media establishment will pull out every stop to prevent Miliband becoming prime minister. It won’t just be a wall of noise about “legitimacy” and chaos. Already some rightwing Labour figures are being primed to try a mini-coup of their own, echoing the Tory claim that the second largest party shouldn’t lead a government. If Cameron and Clegg come close to a majority, a handful of Labour defections could even take them over the line.

Miliband hasn’t made it any easier for himself by giving credence to the insidious claim that any deals with the SNP – likely to be the third largest party – would be beyond the political pale. Some in the Labour leadership would welcome a pact with the Lib Dems, not only for stabilising ballast in parliament but as insulation against the potential influence of the Labour left. But that might require the head of Clegg. If all else fails, the Tories and their media friends will try to force another election.

The only way to counter the onslaught that will be unleashed if voters return an anti-Tory majority is to turn the tables on the real losers. It would be a naked struggle for power in which the other side certainly won’t play by the Queensberry rules. But if Cameron and Clegg lose control of parliament in this election, it will be a rejection of the Westminster establishment and a mandate for change. For the sake of the disabled, food bank users, zero-hours contract workers and those crushed by the bedroom tax, among millions of others, that would need to be turned into a change of government and political direction. Far from being illegitimate, it would be the democratic outcome.
No one likes a sore looser.
 
I'd hazard a guess that the only people posting in this thread on a regular basis knew their voting intentions months ago and havn't changed them. Essentially political discussion of this sort tends to cement views, rather than change them.

I still don't know for sure how I'll vote tomorrow (though I'm almost certain about it). I've voted three different ways in the last three elections (though I wouldn't be caught dead voting Tory, of course.). If I vote Green tomorrow, that'll be four but I'm pretty sure I'll vote Labour (again) to go with my (tactical) Lib Dem and (protest) Socialist Alliance votes of recent elections - we've got a real chance of getting rid of this lap-dog, non-Gaza-supporting MP of ours.....
 

Loathsome shower of toads.

Regardless of party colour, they're all abhorrent creatures.

We missed out on Lord Sutch.
The country has never recovered.
 
http://www.theguardian.com/politics...hashtag-backs-ed-miliband-over-sun-front-page

#JeSuisEd hashtag backs Ed Miliband over Sun front page
Jessica Elgot


In solidarity with Labour leader’s bacon sandwich eating issues, tweeters show how hard it is to look prime ministerial while tucking in to breakfast



Ed Miliband showing how it’s done, tucking into a bacon sandwich. Photograph: Ben Cawthra/REX
Wednesday 6 May 201517.27 BSTLast modified on Wednesday 6 May 201519.27 BST

In case you missed Wednesday’s Sun front page, and practically every derogatorypiece that’s ever been printed about Ed Miliband, the Labour leader’s main weakness is his poor sandwich-eating technique.

With just over 12 hours until polls open, and with mounting public feeling, the Sun’s pig-themed front page has inspired the hashtag #JeSuisEd.

The messy-eater selfies are intended to give the Labour leader some comfort that none of us look exactly prime ministerial when eating a breakfast buttie.

For most tweeters, a #solidaritysandwich was the obvious choice.


But carb-conscious folk didn’t let themselves be limited...
— Mr Clungetrumpet (@StiffPigeon)May 6, 2015
#JeSuisEd #JeSuisOod pic.twitter.com/UPhrNWOCjx

— Lewis HarrisonBarker (@lewhbarker)May 6, 2015
No one looks attractive eating. #JeSuisEd #ItIsntJustYouEdpic.twitter.com/lkJfoejChY

— Fifi Manson (@fifi_manson)May 6, 2015
Me and my cucumber lunch #JeSuisEd pic.twitter.com/sfaCNh61Qi

— Christina Martin (@christinamartin)May 6, 2015
#JeSuisEd pic.twitter.com/n9QiijG7gl

After all, even supermodels don’t look great with a big mouthful of lunch...
— Paul Sharp (@Petersbrooking)May 6, 2015
Even Kate Moss looks stupid while eating. Kate Moss. #jesuisedpic.twitter.com/UTCNLy1l0G

And awkward-eating straddles the political spectrum...
— Tracy Wheeler (@TracyWheelie)May 6, 2015
Boris is loving supporting #JeSuisEd pic.twitter.com/39ihFDjzr0

It even affects multi-millionaire media moguls...
— You name it (@freiahill)May 6, 2015
SAVE OUR PRESS Don’t swallow his porkies and kick him out! #JeSuisEdpic.twitter.com/ZdhaiAPwcH

And if you try to avoid it by eating a hot dog with a knife and fork(which is probably in contravention of some kind of US law), you’ll still definitely look silly.
— Tracy Wheeler (@TracyWheelie)May 6, 2015
In response to the press sinking to an all time low #JeSuisEd Instead of a selfie I thought I thought I'd share this pic.twitter.com/dmFto9DUNg
 
Havent voted now since 1992 but after the way the Tories have done so many people over during the last 5 years feel we all have to get out and vote for a party standing against them, even if you live in a safe seat, if they get back in we are all doomed.
 

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