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The Ashes 2023

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Billy Dean said:
Wicketkeepers often have a little shy at the stumps after collecting the ball. Usually the batsmen are not brain dead and stay in the crease until the ball is really dead
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He scratched his mark in the crease. It was ball 6. He wasnt attempting a run. Over should obviously have been called.

The fact it wasn't called over means its within the letter of the law and they can appeal if they wish. But it pushes fair play and the spirit of the game beyond the boundaries as far as I'm concerned.

I have really no time for any of those run out attempts, the rules should be adapted to remove the ambiguity in the law about when the ball is dead because we dont shout over every ball. For me this was much more clear cut because

1. Its the sixth delivery of the over
2. There is clearly no attempt to run.
 
Sarnia Kevin said:
Like I said, it's Bairstow who should be embarrassed, and it's pathetic to moan about it. Man up! lol
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What because I believe we should play within the spirit of the game... ok mate lol. If he is down the wicket trying to hit the ball then it's fine, if he is looking for a run then it's fine. But it was the last ball off the over, the ball has gone miles past him after he leaves it, even the square leg umpire is moving before it hits the stumps. Yes he should have stayed but it's ridiculous with the situation. If that's how they want to win then fine but for me it's pretty embarrassing.
 

ToffeeTim said:
I still haven't seen any explanation to why over wasn't called. No one was attempting to run, the ball was safely with the wicketkeeper.

I'm a bit confused
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So why did Bairstow wander down the wicket? It was a cheap shot by Oz, but well within the rules. The Keeper could have warned him I guess, but again, he had no rule telling him he had to.

Anyrate, we didnt lose the Test cos of that. We lost it with lunatic batting in the first innings. 180 ish for 1? All out in 70 odd overs?
 
ToffeeTim said:
Well he just confirmed he's happy with what happened so unfortunately I think he's made a big error.

England need to respond in kind and remove the bails every time an Australian batsmen leaves their crease mid over at Headingley.

If they think that's proper cricket then fine. Play in the exact same manner.
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But it’s not about when they leave their crease though is it? It’s about when the ball becomes dead! 99% of the time in that situation today you see batsmen wait with their bat still in the crease until the point the keeper passes the ball on the ball to a fielder - then the ball is dead, or the umpire calls over - then the ball is dead!
Virtually every time you see a batsman leave his crease during an over he has waited until the ball is “dead” - Bairstow didn’t and him and England have paid the price!
I think the bigger argument is Cummings could have withdrawn the appeal!
 
cronullasharks said:
The starc catch was to the letter of the law as well despite it obviously being a clean catch. Both incidents don't sit right with me btw.
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Starc “catch” was not out. No argument, he used the ball against the turf to brace himself.
What I dont understand is why they were also lumping the Smith catch in there too. That was fair and the ball never went near the grass.

Bairstow stumping was fair too because it was a continuous movement by Carey … the second time he showed outstanding keeping. The first by standing well outside leg so the Duckett gloved catch was made to look easy
 

bcblue1878 said:
But it’s not about when they leave their crease though is it? It’s about when the ball becomes dead! 99% of the time in that situation today you see batsmen wait with their bat still in the crease until the point the keeper passes the ball on the ball to a fielder - then the ball is dead, or the umpire calls over - then the ball is dead!
Virtually every time you see a batsman leave his crease during an over he has waited until the ball is “dead” - Bairstow didn’t and him and England have paid the price!
I think the bigger argument is Cummings could have withdrawn the appeal!
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The rules aren't clear at all on when the ball is "dead" other than after the last delivery because the umpire calls over.

But batsmen leave their crease at other times during the over, and the umpire doesn't shout over or signal the ball is no longer live. To me it's very clear when you play the game - if the ball goes through to the keeper who fields it cleanly, my opinion is that the ball is automatically dead as long as they aren't attempting to run a bye. The only exception I can see is a batsman batting out of his crease. If they fail to go back and ground something behind the crease after the ball passes by, then it's absolutely fair to stump them. Bairstow did not bat outside his crease though, and scratched his mark with his foot IIRC.

But yes it's within the laws of the game to run him out if over hasn't been called, but it's not something I would ever want or try to do. I find it infuriating at junior cricket when someone tries one of those weird run outs, especially at the non strikers end tbf. Are we here to play cricket and enjoy ourselves or to try run each other out in random ways.

England lost the game because of their bowling in sessions of 1 & 2 of day and their batting on the final session of day 2 and first session of day 3. You can't lose 6 for 40 odd and expect to win. That session was the most pivotal. Even 40 or 50 more and the game is probably quite different. The run out/stumping today doesn't help though.
 
I excelled at this sport at school - medium pace swing bowler - there should be spirit in the game of common-sense Cheating in football a given thing - never in cricket - I have not seen the incident as yet, but after the 6th ball the umpire should immediately shout over imo -
The saying thats not cricket is there for a reason = fair play .... you cannot take a catch & run your hand along the turf/grass tho break your fall you catch it if in control roll over with the ball off the deck - thats a given .....

Australia have a history of cheating - the under handball in a last ball over, so a boundary could not be hit in a one-day game etc IMO they have a superior bowling attack & Anderson has to be rested at the age of 40 years old ..... & they are a class side without these incidents .....
 
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roydo said:
So why did Bairstow wander down the wicket? It was a cheap shot by Oz, but well within the rules. The Keeper could have warned him I guess, but again, he had no rule telling him he had to.

Anyrate, we didnt lose the Test cos of that. We lost it with lunatic batting in the first innings. 180 ish for 1? All out in 70 odd overs?
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I think he expected it to be over. I think it should have been called over.

He wasn't smart, but it's not a dismissal I would ever try or appeal for. He's not trying to run, he wasn't batting outside his crease, he scratched his mark with his foot. It pushes the boundaries of fair play for me, and I don't like it.

Next week we could have run out attempts any time a player comes out of their crease to inspect the wicket or do a bit of gardening. If it's ball 1 -5 how can we know if the ball is still live? I worry this could end up a farce.
 
ToffeeTim said:
I think he expected it to be over. I think it should have been called over.

He wasn't smart, but it's not a dismissal I would ever try or appeal for. He's not trying to run, he wasn't batting outside his crease, he scratched his mark with his foot. It pushes the boundaries of fair play for me, and I don't like it.

Next week we could have run out attempts any time a player comes out of their crease to inspect the wicket or do a bit of gardening. If it's ball 1 -5 how can we know if the ball is still live? I worry this could end up a farce.
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Broad shouted to their keeper, you will be remembered for that run out forever - well done ..... it was picked up on the stump mike .....
 

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