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The Ashes - Australia 2013/14

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thebluefox said:
llongY was telling chico and mick your The 1 lad id love to have a bev with ,cause you know your cricket mate ,if england stick with this top 5 ,the aussie will turn us over mate FACT.BTW THE AUSIES R PISS POOR
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Haha cheers mate and likewise, having played the game at a decent level you definitely pick up a few things from experienced campaigners along the way, hopefully one day in the near future we'll get that beer in, my round pal.

Aussies are poor in some ways, but they have some class amongst them, Harris is a class act and I'd have him in any starting eleven, very unlucky with his body. That Ballance looks a player, get him in? I think the bowlers didn't execute things well myself, Tremlett ran out of gas (which is understandable) and Swann hasn't been the same for about 2-3 years now? Don't see the world class spin bowler myself.

Easy to blame the batsmen, but Aus were scoring a run a ball for 2 sessions yesterday, that's no fault of the top order for me.

Apart from Ballance, who else is there to come in out there lads? Haven't followed the county scene as well as I used to. Carberry looks alright?
 
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Just one point, loads of people in here last couple of days fuming with England, but you have to give credit to Aussie, that wanted it more, they applied their plans to perfection, and they had the pace, energy and attitude to back it up with bat and ball. I thought Clarke's second innings yesterday was one of the finest in an Ashes game for a long time, counter attacking the short ball like he had no problem.

Doesn't hurt to give the opposition their dues.
 
noharmdone said:
Elong..
Giving away the single to get Clarke on strike yesterday then ?
Sunday league stuff that.
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They wanted to bowl at him to pepper him with short stuff, he's got a dodgy back and playing it terribly. Crazily, the bowlers had enough of doing that after 3 balls, 3 poor bouncers at that. Look at what happened to Trott last night, they bowled some poo bouncers, but they kept doing it, and they got him cheap.

I'm not condoning what they did there, I can just see the reasoning. An display of over arrogance/confidence from Cook, possibly the first time ever, and it was worse than being his conservative self.
 
I've bowled to guys giving them the easy single so I can bowl at the guy at the other end, especially if he doesn't like the short stuff, I know I have the pace to give him some trouble. Different level and different class of course, but I've aimed one on the pads to give someone a single down fine leg before (without telling the captain :lol: ).
 

I'd bowl at anyone.. Not arsed.. I'd fancy getting you out.. I'd never give up easy runs..
We all like bowling at a new batsman.. But in a test ? Amazing for me that.
 
noharmdone said:
I'd bowl at anyone.. Not arsed.. I'd fancy getting you out.. I'd never give up easy runs..
We all like bowling at a new batsman.. But in a test ? Amazing for me that.
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It surprised me too, don't get me wrong like. The arrogance to say "we would rather bowl at one of the best players in the world", well, it's only gonna go 2 ways....and Clarke dominated. For me, that just added to the class of his innings, as much as it pains me to say it.
 
Elong said:
It surprised me too, don't get me wrong like. The arrogance to say "we would rather bowl at one of the best players in the world", well, it's only gonna go 2 ways....and Clarke dominated. For me, that just added to the class of his innings, as much as it pains me to say it.
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It's an innings that could change this series...
As I've said before in here.. I like Clarke.. Seems a top bloke.
 
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noharmdone said:
It's an innings that could change this series...
As I've said before in here.. I like Clarke.. Seems a top bloke.
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I'm still very positive. We never win at the Gabba. In fact, hardly anyone does, Aussie have a record there to match their record at Lords.

The failure of the English cricket teams of the past was to chop and change too much, too often, so I'm wary of wholesale changes mid series. This is what we've taken on tour, so let them produce, or face the sack at the end of the series, that's my view on it.

Playing devil's advocate here, but this makes the series more competitive now? We've dominated them for a long time now.
(Not sure I can go with my own words here though, almost like wishing Liverpool success after a down period! :lol: )
 

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Haha cheers mate and likewise, having played the game at a decent level you definitely pick up a few things from experienced campaigners along the way, hopefully one day in the near future we'll get that beer in, my round pal.

Aussies are poor in some ways, but they have some class amongst them, Harris is a class act and I'd have him in any starting eleven, very unlucky with his body. That Ballance looks a player, get him in? I think the bowlers didn't execute things well myself, Tremlett ran out of gas (which is understandable) and Swann hasn't been the same for about 2-3 years now? Don't see the world class spin bowler myself.

Easy to blame the batsmen, but Aus were scoring a run a ball for 2 sessions yesterday, that's no fault of the top order for me.

Apart from Ballance, who else is there to come in out there lads? Haven't followed the county scene as well as I used to. Carberry looks alright?
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The bowlers had just bowled for over a day on a pitch offering nothing, doing a very good job and within a couple of sessions had to do it all over again with a massive deficit behind them. They've been doing that continually for about a year and a half lest we forget, it's always going to catch up with them. Especially considering they've been playing one-day cricket pretty regularly as well.

With regards to credit to the aussies. I didn't watch the spectacular england collapse (thankfully), but did read it all back, and it seemed the same old same old. There wasn't much talk of, that's a great bit of bowling, it was more "[Insert English Batsman Name Here], what are you doing? what a terrible shot to get yourself out." seems as though one wicket has gone down today and that was England batsman getting himself out again, rather than getting out.

I doubt Mitchell Johnson has bowled any better than he did in 2010, just instead of his short balls down leg dissapearing to the fence, england are hitting them to the fielders instead.
 
toffeejack said:
The bowlers had just bowled for over a day on a pitch offering nothing, doing a very good job and within a couple of sessions had to do it all over again with a massive deficit behind them. They've been doing that continually for about a year and a half lest we forget, it's always going to catch up with them. Especially considering they've been playing one-day cricket pretty regularly as well.

With regards to credit to the aussies. I didn't watch the spectacular england collapse (thankfully), but did read it all back, and it seemed the same old same old. There wasn't much talk of, that's a great bit of bowling, it was more "[Insert English Batsman Name Here], what are you doing? what a terrible shot to get yourself out." seems as though one wicket has gone down today and that was England batsman getting himself out again, rather than getting out.

I doubt Mitchell Johnson has bowled any better than he did in 2010, just instead of his short balls down leg dissapearing to the fence, england are hitting them to the fielders instead.
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TJ, as you didn't watch it, with the greatest of respect... :) Johnson bowled well, Harris bowled better.

Johnson has mentally scarred Trott, trust me. Like a boxer hit in the ring, his eyes have gone vacant. Never seen Trott's face like that before.
 
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TJ, as you didn't watch it, with the greatest of respect... :) Johnson bowled well, Harris bowled better.

Johnson has mentally scarred Trott, trust me. Like a boxer hit in the ring, his eyes have gone vacant. Never seen Trott's face like that before.
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cheers, harris is class. I said at the start of the innings, all England have to do is see him off, perhaps unsettle his rhythym, and they'd be fine.

i watched the first session and johnson was absolutely cack, but i did say he'd get a wicket with one of those ****e balls down leg. Trott and Carberry allowing aus the time for that extra over could well be the key to the match. trott gifts him the wicket and all of a sudden his confidence is up. Trott has been poor for a while, he's looked good while he's batting, but he's been getting himself out virtually every time, he never did that two years ago.

You can't have a test No.3 with no confidence in your team though, i can't remember a test vs aus this year where england haven't been 3 down for under 100
 

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