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The Battle for Number 10 - NOT A Live Debate - Cameron vs Miliband - 9PM KO

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I know you have, pal. That's why I don't feel guilty for doing so.

P.S. It's not hatred (I'm not the greatest political mind that has ever existed), it's more incredulity. You just seem incredibly stubborn. That's my point of view, anyway

I refer you to my original point, which you keep proving over and over again with your hate. You're a perfect example of self importance and ignorance in modern day Britain.

Bravo! Now neg me some more to confirm I'm so right!
 
Sorry mate I'm saying what I hear around me from my mates who work in Jaguar, the lads who are on the tools, the lads in the pub, the lads at the match. These are the people that used to vote Labour as did their families. They don't know who to vote for anyomore as the Labour Party as they see it are Tories with a different name . They won't vote Labour, they definitely won't Tory, some of them won't vote at all, but some will vote for UKIP.

Unfortunately this is correct. I even know a Sinn Fein supporter who will be voting for UKIP in the upcoming election.
 
Sorry mate I'm saying what I hear around me from my mates who work in Jaguar, the lads who are on the tools, the lads in the pub, the lads at the match. These are the people that used to vote Labour as did their families. They don't know who to vote for anyomore as the Labour Party as they see it are Tories with a different name . They won't vote Labour, they definitely won't Tory, some of them won't vote at all, but some will vote for UKIP.

You're right, many working class people will vote UKIP due to their targeting of working class communities with high immigration populations. They scaremonger better than the tories. Thankfully, it doesn't look like their gains will be as much as their perceived channel 4 publicity driven popularity suggests.
 

It's easy to throw around the 'they're all the same' line however for the first time in a generation I would argue there is a clear line in the sand between Labour & Conservative ideology.

New Labour was tory lite but I don't think this incarnation is, you only have to look at the proposed policies to realise that. People forget Miliband's dad was a Marxist, he also unlike Clegg, Cameron and Farage attended a comprehensive school growing up. He speaks and looks a little odd but as tonight has proved there is an awful lot more to Miliband than meets the eye. First time in god knows now long a Labour leader has embraced the 'socialist' tag.
 

It's easy to throw around the 'they're all the same' line however for the first time in a generation I would argue there is a clear line in the sand between Labour & Conservative ideology.

New Labour was tory lite but I don't think this incarnation is, you only have to look at the proposed policies to realise that. People forget Miliband's dad was a Marxist, he also unlike Clegg, Cameron and Farage attended a comprehensive school growing up. He speaks and looks a little odd but as tonight has proved there is an awful lot more to Miliband than meets the eye. First time in god knows now long a Labour leader has embraced the 'socialist' tag.

I agree, but it's all about perceptions and I'm sorry to say it but Milliband looks and sounds like a Tory. That really is enough to put people off.
 
I'm on delay, I can't understand the idea that Milliband's done well here?

So far Paxman has taken him to the cleaners Millibands come out and then dropped a drink all over himself and Paxmans taken him back time and again...
 
Thought Ed did okay - Paxman is still the best in the business, had Cameron and Ed in the palm of his hand.
 

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