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The David Moyes debate

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Losing to the shoite hurts,,, but you get over it in a week or two..........getting relegated hurts worse and takes a damn site longer to recover from..talk to leeds fans.
 
Brennan91 said:
I meant with regard to the quality of his signings. With more money for scouts, a club with a better reputation etc. you are more likely to sign better players.

At the end of the day Martinez has dealt with a net transfer spend of -£9m over his tenure and has kept the club in the premier league with a squad many wrote off last season and this season. He's done that while playing good football.

I'm not going to say Martinez would be better overall over a ten year period than Moyes, but anybody saying that he would definitely be worse are nuts.
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We can't be spending much more on scouting than anyone, we have next to nothing left after wages. We can attract better players but we can't afford them so we take chances on loans more often than not.

I believe that if Martinez took over we would see a mixed bag from our team. Wigan pull off some impressive shocks and aren't afraid of going for the jugular of the big sides. They also, however hold the record for the heaviest EPL defeat (9-1 spurs, with 8-0 chelsea deserving an honourable mention) they are unpredictable under Martinez. He has achieved absolutely nothing there imo. Keeping them up is the minimum requirement, for me. What could Wigan achieve if they put their minds to it? Recent results suggest a hell of a lot better than what they're doing right now. Inconsistency.

Then as top players move on he WILL NOT sign the right calibre of player to keep us in the top 8. Thinking he would somehow will pick up where Moyes would be leaving off is wishful thinking to say the least. Moyes is treading water and he is far superior to Martinez.

I can't have anyone saying Wigan were in a worse state in 09 than we were when Moyes took over either. We were SO gash when Moyes took over it's untrue. Think of what people say about Smith's days. Dire. There is no way we were better than what Wigan were when Martinez took over. Yet, at the same stage as Martinez's career at Wigan, Moyes was boxing off a top 4 finish. With no money, zero club attractiveness and having to sell the most talented English player in decades. There isn't a case you could make for Martinez to take this job, in any way shape or form.

I respect the point that we took a risk with Moyes too. A bigger one, but you'll have to excuse me as I have to say i believe lightning will not strike twice. Bill is not THAT lucky. Moyes is once in a blue moon. Bill had the luck of the spawniest irishman in the world when he got Moyes. Not again. Definitely not Martinez.
 
micknick said:
So if he had won 23 out of 23 and we beat the drop by a point every season that would be good enough?! Behave
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Bit of a silly response that.

4 wins out of 23 in the derby isn't good enough regardless of our league performance. Unless you think Moyes having the worst derby performance of any manager ever is acceptable ?
 
micknick said:
So basically a quick consensus is that with the money spent we are pretty much at the level we should be and on average 4 players to get up to where we want to be?!

The only way we are ever going to do that is with new ownership/investment, I think you hooded assassins are venting at the wrong villain here. People feel like they need a change and can't touch kenwright so go after Moyes?!

I've said it earlier and I'll say again- we played some wonderful stuff with the midget gems if arteta, Pienaar and Osman based on a solid back line.

We need money, that's it. I don't understand why people would risk a change when we are pretty much where we deserve to be with the money that's been invested.
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Absolutely bang on the money. Been saying it for years now. Wrong villain.
 

Brennan91 said:
Bit of a silly response that.

4 wins out of 23 in the derby isn't good enough regardless of our league performance. Unless you think Moyes having the worst derby performance of any manager ever is acceptable ?
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It's disappointing but to say there are more important things than beating that shower a few more times is a huge understatement. Also, they've pretty much always been the stronger team.
 
paulbefc said:
It's disappointing but to say there are more important things than beating that shower a few more times is a huge understatement. Also, they've pretty much always been the stronger team.
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Beating our rivals in the derby is a very big deal, i don't see how any Evertonian can say it isn't tbh.
 
Brennan91 said:
Beating our rivals in the derby is a very big deal, i don't see how any Evertonian can say it isn't tbh.
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So am I the next branded kopite of the forum? And I didn't say it wasn't a big deal. It is but there are much more important things. Listen to BlueForYou, someone who was around when we regularly won derbies but ended up sh*tting outselves about relegation every year. The team who finishes higher at the end of the season has the last laugh anyway and despite two defeats we are on the way to achieveing that.

Can the forum nip this "you're a kopite" etc garbage in the bud please. It's been all over the place since saturday and it's done nothing but cause trouble. We're all blues ffs.
 

Brennan91 said:
I'd say losing 3-0 to a Gerrard hat trick and losing to them in the Semi have been THE defining moments of our season.
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You were saying a few weeks ago that Swansea finishing above Everton would define our season. Ruined it for you there didn't they?

Oh and I remember the TWO relegation battles on the last day of the season.

Thanks but not thanks. You obviously don't remember them.

Ask LCAB what Brian Labone was doing on that day FFS.
 
paulbefc said:
So am I the next branded kopite of the forum? And I didn't say it wasn't a big deal. It is but there are much more important things. Listen to BlueForYou, someone who was around when we regularly won derbies but ended up sh*tting outselves about relegation every year. The team who finishes higher at the end of the season has the last laugh anyway and despite two defeats we are on the way to achieveing that.

Can the forum nip this "you're a kopite" etc garbage in the bud please. It's been all over the place since saturday and it's done nothing but cause trouble. We're all blues ffs.
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Yes, you big fat Kopite.

NO obviously ! I'm just saying i don't understand how an Everton fan doesn't see it as a massive deal. Just because i don't understand it doesn't mean i won't accept your right to hold that opinion.
 
Matt Damon said:
You were saying a few weeks ago that Swansea finishing above Everton would define our season. Ruined it for you there didn't they?

Oh and I remember the TWO relegation battles on the last day of the season.

Thanks but not thanks. You obviously don't remember them.

Ask LCAB what Brian Labone was doing on that day FFS.
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That's nice, too bad i never said it though.
 

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