The EU deal

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I'm not sure what you are saying. I'm I right in saying you do think they are going to join but not immediately? I don't think anyone is suggesting that they will join immediately but this referendum will decide the EU question one way or another for another 50 years.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11283616

"Croatia and Turkey started accession talks on 3 October 2005. Croatia joined on 1 July 2013. Turkey could complete negotiations in 10-15 years, but progress has been very slow, as the EU is divided over whether Turkey should join at all."

The refugee deal has also given visa free travel to the turks so people worried about immigration are also justifiably worried about that as well.
Another lie. There are negotiations in place but it hasn't been granted.
 
Which is when? More scare tactics utilising fear of peoples. It really is a shocking campaign the Brexiters camp are running.


Albania

Applied for full membership: April 2009
Confirmed as candidate: June 2014
Albania is not expected to join the EU until 2020 at the earliest. It got candidate status in June 2014 - recognition of its progress in reforming institutions to meet EU standards.
But the EU urged Albania to do more to tackle corruption and organised crime, especially crime relating to immigration and human trafficking, and drugs.
Since 15 December 2010 Albanians with biometric passports have been able to travel visa-free to the Schengen zone, which includes most EU countries.
Border controls are minimal under the Schengen accord, but the EU will keep a close watch on the flow of visitors from the Western Balkans.
The EU and Albania concluded a Stabilisation and Association Agreement (SAA), seen as the first step towards membership, in June 2006.


Seven countries, as well as Kosovo, are waiting in the wings to join the European Union.
Kosovo's independence is not recognised by all EU countries, but the EU nevertheless views it as a potential candidate for membership.
Croatia and Turkey started accession talks on 3 October 2005. Croatia joined on 1 July 2013. Turkey could complete negotiations in 10-15 years, but progress has been very slow, as the EU is divided over whether Turkey should join at all.
The other Balkan countries have been told they can join the EU one day, if they meet the criteria. These include democracy, the rule of law, a market economy and adherence to the EU's goals of political and economic union.
 
Another lie. There are negotiations in place but it hasn't been granted.

I think you are burying your head in the sand. These countries will be brought into the EU. It may take a little time but it will happen and to deny it is foolish. It is not the Leave camp who have set all this up, it is the EU itself........
 

What was the vote on Germany inviting unlimited immigration into the EU. What was the vote on Merkel offering Turkey a bribe to hold back immigrants. What was the vote on doing a deal with Turkey for visa free access ?...........

Never did get a reply to this........
 
Never did get a reply to this........
Merkel invited refugees into Germany. A thoroughly decent thing to do. A deal has not yet been concluded with Turkey and will be decided, not by Germany, but by the collective of member states. You're scared of foreigners and you are spreading your fear by not telling the truth.
 
It doesn't matter what you write or what you prove, he simply won't accept anything.......
I know. It's frankly unbelievable. I know people have been brainwashed by the media and sometimes that's hard to break but the facts are the facts. Unless you are part of the political class or reliant on the EU for your business' money I just don't see any reason why you would want to vote to stay in. I fear the EU will be like the developing world in 40 years. The wealthy will live in private gated communities and everyone else won't be so lucky. I know that sounds like scare tactics but that's honestly what I fear will be the future.

Maybe it won't be that bad but ultimately we will be at the mercy of the elite.
 
Merkel invited refugees into Germany. A thoroughly decent thing to do. A deal has not yet been concluded with Turkey and will be decided, not by Germany, but by the collective of member states. You're scared of foreigners and you are spreading your fear by not telling the truth.
It has been concluded otherwise they wouldn't have started to send migrants back to Turkey. From that article.

"We have told them, 'we are not threatening you,' but there's a reality. We have signed two deals with you [the EU] and both are interlinked," Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu told the AFP news agency and other outlets in Antalya on Monday.
 

Merkel invited refugees into Germany. A thoroughly decent thing to do. A deal has not yet been concluded with Turkey and will be decided, not by Germany, but by the collective of member states. You're scared of foreigners and you are spreading your fear by not telling the truth.

It was a throughly stupid thing to do, in an unstructured manner that has caused chaos for countries like Greece and the transit countries along the way to Germany. She is now in a panic as the German people are turning against her for her gross stupidity. I have no problem with foreigners and two of my kids have married a Romanian and a Philippine. I do have a problem with people who believe in Utopia and let's open the doors to the whole world because that's the nice thing to do. You will never see it nor will you ever agree with it, you throw away comments like xenophobic or 'scared of foreigners', and you refuse to look at the evidence of what uncontrolled immigration can do.........
 
It was a throughly stupid thing to do, in an unstructured manner that has caused chaos for countries like Greece and the transit countries along the way to Germany. She is now in a panic as the German people are turning against her for her gross stupidity. I have no problem with foreigners and two of my kids have married a Romanian and a Philippine. I do have a problem with people who believe in Utopia and let's open the doors to the whole world because that's the nice thing to do. You will never see it nor will you ever agree with it, you throw away comments like xenophobic or 'scared of foreigners', and you refuse to look at the evidence of what uncontrolled immigration can do.........
Not only that but if you do believe in a world free from racism and xenophobia then forcing uncontrolled immigration on a population is the quickest way to bring about the opposite which is what we are seeing.
 
I live among literally tens of thousands of Turks already in North London. They are as totally sound as a pound as any one people can be. And Turkish food is fabulous.
 
It's this kind of smug, better-than-you sort of attitude that makes me want to go out and help campaign for Leave.

I can see both sides of the argument and will respect anyone's reasons for voting either way, but comments like the above are downright disgusting and frankly offensive.
Something to think about for everybody. If we leave then a whole load of negotiations are going to be required. The Labour Party, such as it is, is split and there is no discernible leadership. Corbyn is doing nothing. The Tories are in an even worse state if that is possible and they are wrecked for years to come. Liberals again non-existent. Scots Nationalists will want another referendum if we leave. Politics in the UK is an absolute shambles at the moment. At least in the EU we have some form of active leadership, mainly from Germany. Very uncertain times which will get a lot more uncertain if we leave. Not to mention what might become of America.
 

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