The EU deal

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daylightrobber said:
Racism is part of the debate though isn't it. I'll admit that there are some in the Brexit camp who don't use it, but unfortunately as the campaigns go on, the more desperate Brexit becomes and the more they turn to arguments which point the finger at foreigners and tell us lies about how we're going to be invaded by 72m Turks.
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"Being worried about Turkey joining the EU, entitling 70m Turks to free movement of people, is wrong." Just like worrying that the so called common market wasn't a market.
 

SNova said:
"Being worried about Turkey joining the EU is wrong." Just like worrying that the so called common market wasn't a market.
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Are we going to see 72m Turks arriving in the UK? Are any Turks going to have visa free travel to the UK? Should we be afraid of Turkish people?
 
daylightrobber said:
Are we going to see 72m Turks arriving in the UK? Are any Turks going to have visa free travel to the UK? Should we be afraid of Turkish people?
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The vast majority of people want immigration reduced and controlled, Turkey joining free movement of people is hardly going to achieve that.
 

SNova said:
I believe in freedom of speech, I also do not trust the unelected (which we cannot remove) to
decide on what classifies as 'hate speech' or wrong think.
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I'm not saying political correctness can't denigrate any debate - there's an element of truth in that. But hate speech is quite specific. Is there any example of a sentiment, just for reference, that might be expressed in your argument to leave the EU, that you are worried would be removed under these new terms?

As for 'wrongthink' they haven't worked out how to control that yet mate... apart from propaganda in the meeja.

dandydan said:
Judging by the amount of "racist" cries in this thread I'd say it's an attempt to close down debate on social media.
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Again, I just can't think of an example where hate speech could be conflated with a genuine concern that isn't inciting hatred or violence.

Even the leave campaign poster with 'don't let 75 million Turks into the country' probably doesn't come under it.
 
daylightrobber said:
So spreading fear about something that may never happen isn't really warranted is it? It's an extremely underhand tactic encouraging people to be unduly fearful or contemptuous of foreigners.
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It's a legitimate concern for anyone who wants immigration control, so it's quite right to be in the debate.
 
Hibbertinho said:
I'm not saying political correctness can't denigrate any debate - there's an element of truth in that. But hate speech is quite specific. Is there any example of a sentiment, just for reference, that might be expressed in your argument to leave the EU, that you are worried would be removed under these new terms?

As for 'wrongthink' they haven't worked out how to control that yet mate... apart from propaganda in the meeja.



Again, I just can't think of an example where hate speech could be conflated with a genuine concern that isn't inciting hatred or violence.

Even the leave campaign poster with 'don't let 75 million Turks into the country' probably doesn't come under it.
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Like I said I don't trust the unelected to have that amount of power, especially because we cannot remove them through the ballot box.
 

peteblue said:
Would these be the same people who said we should join the Euro ? Or are they the same economists who wanted us in the ERM or are they the ones who missed the collapse of the banks......
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Or thought joining the euro was a necessity Ken Clake and co if we did not join the euro the same crap was spouted of being isolated as voting out now?
 
Hibbertinho said:
I don't understand what you're getting at here - is that a response to the economists?
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It was but it can be equally applied to pretty much everyone. Until very recently anyone that spoke out against the consensus was essentially committing career and social suicide.

Political correctness has been used to shut down the debate before it started and that was very intentional.

It's only a few men like Farage that have brought the issue to the place that it is now. Even the Guardian respects the effect this one man has had.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ferendum-interview-vote-leave-brief-every-day
Hibbertinho said:
Does anyone have to think it's a good idea? There's no way they will be allowed to join, in my view, with that despot at the helm - and whilst not conforming to any of the Copenhagen criteria. Besides, Poland, Austria, Slovakia etc. will never allow them.
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We as the European tax payers will then be expected to pay. It's absolute insanity.
 
SNova said:
Like I said I don't trust the unelected to have that amount of power, especially because we cannot remove them through the ballot box.
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I think you've misunderstood something here... you are aware that it's a not-legally-binding, slim 'code-of-conduct', the contents of which are already partly covered by the e-commerce directive? It's just a public commitment.

Donald Tusk isn't going to be looking at your Facebook profile anytime soon.
 

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