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The EU deal

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Joey66 said:
After so many years them all!
The EU in crisis would any sane. Countr try with our wealth vote to join it?????
Answer NO so that's why I am an our voter!
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Like I said earlier, my bro has been living in Germany for 20years. He hasn't given up his UK nationality to become a German citizen. What makes you think everyone will want to give up their own nationalities?
 
SNova said:
Again, we're back to the irrating argument that if you're against one your for the other. I want the UK to be more democratic too.
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Don't worry about it, I know full well how undemocratic the UK (and other countries) can be - it's just that I think your prescriptions (libertarian?) might be at odds with my decidedly more socialist ones.

I can understand the 'Leave' view when it comes to those who are right of centre. I find it harder to believe that anyone with a background in the labour movement can believe that aligning themselves with Boris Johnston, Michael Gove, Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch - let alone saloon-bar jokers like Farage and Hamilton and morons like Tommy Robinson - can produce anything but pain for those who don't have access to the levers of power.

One of the most immediate effects of 'Leave' is likely to be full-on agitation for Scottish independence, resulting in a permanent Tory majority in the rump UK. I wish you well in that future.
 
SNova said:
Marine Le Pen Surges in French Polls

Front National leader Marine Le Pen has double the polling numbers of current president François Hollande ahead of the 2017 French presidential election.

It is less than a year until the French public will vote on the highest office in the country, and new polls suggest that the current president François Hollande could be in serious trouble.

A survey published by Le Monde on Thursday shows the French president polling at 14 per cent while likely Republican candidate and former president Nicolas Sarkozy scored 21 per cent. The clear winner of the poll was anti-mass migration Front National party leader Marine Le Pen who was favoured by 28 per cent of those surveyed.

The survey, which began in November and will be conducted until just before the presidential elections in June 2017, is based on a large sample of 19,455 people who are asked their opinion on multiple occasions. These results come from the fourth time the participants have been surveyed on their political preference over the period of 12 to 22 May.

The biggest loser in the poll is Mr. Hollande whose disapproval rating rose among the group surveyed. The percentage of those totally dissatisfied with the Socialist leader have gone from 43 per cent in March to 53 per cent. The level of satisfaction with Mr. Hollande, on a scale of 1 to 10, now rests at 2.1.

The recent 100 year anniversary of the World War One Battle of Verdun “art performance” last Sunday may also have also affected Mr. Hollande’s popularity as many, including Marine Le Pen, denounced it as “indecent”.

Ms. Le Pen, with 28 per cent, is up one percentage point from the last round. If the polling numbers remain steady going into 2017, the FN leader is guaranteed a place in the second round of the French presidential elections.

The French presidential election system is much like the Austrian system. The Austrian presidential election this year saw anti-mass migration Freedom Pary of Austria (FPÖ) candidate Norbert Hofer win 36.4 per cent of the vote in the first round, but lose by a mere 31,000 votes in the second round to former Green Party leader Alexander Van der Bellen.

Many who support the populist candidate worry that although she may win the first round of the presidential election she will lose the second round as other parties unite to vote against her. Those fears may be increased after European Commission president Jean-Claude Juncker announced that the bloc would do all in its power, including economic sanctions, to ensure no anti-mass migration party would ever come to power in Europe


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At least the French might be able to get out of the EU, if we are unable to. Apparently the Dutch want out too.
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Breitbart again?
 

daylightrobber said:
Strange how we were happy to join when relatively speaking we didn't have the wealth.
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Excuse me we had to beg to join, payed over the top when it was 7 countries the only favour Charles De Gaulle did us was stopping Teddy Heath dragging us in earlier!
Let's face it why join a club where we had fought as mainly enemies through history giving them a chance to crap all over us no one ever voted for a beurocratic unelected presidents in Strasburg to invite eastern block up to 28 and. counting
Countries who are poor as hell with free movement by the way!
It will all end in tears anyway the Euro will crash, and it will dissolve as it started that's why they dread us leaving as we tend to prop it up with a massive financial contribution!
Next thing it will be hell will free over if we were to leave!
 
Joey66 said:
Excuse me we had to beg to join, payed over the top when it was 7 countries the only favour Charles De Gaulle did us was stopping Teddy Heath dragging us in earlier!
Let's face it why join a club where we had fought as mainly enemies through history giving them a chance to crap all over us no one ever voted for a beurocratic unelected presidents in Strasburg to invite eastern block up to 28 and. counting
Countries who are poor as hell with free movement by the way!
It will all end in tears anyway the Euro will crash, and it will dissolve as it started that's why they dread us leaving as we tend to prop it up with a massive financial contribution!
Next thing it will be hell will free over if we were to leave!
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Since we joined we have done better financially than any other nation.
 
daylightrobber said:
No.

Edit: Actually yes. People are becoming afraid of other people. Lies are spread, scapegoats made. Society is crumbling all around us. Not the world I want my kids to grow up in.
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Wouldn't say society is crumbling..wouldn't say people are becoming afraid of other people.. Just don't agree that other countries say what we should do with our borders. Why can't we as uk say no we will vet you our way?
 

Congen said:
Wouldn't say society is crumbling..wouldn't say people are becoming afraid of other people.. Just don't agree that other countries say what we should do with our borders. Why can't we as uk say no we will vet you our way?
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Because it's a condition of being in the common market, which has been significantly beneficial to us, taking us from a relatively poor Western European nation to a very very rich one.
 
Congen said:
And they did!! Didn't realise all these European countries were powerhouses back then
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As raised earlier in the thread but drowned out by some horrid noises.....
daylightrobber said:
From the FT......
"Britain joined the EEC in 1973 as the sick man of Europe. By the late 1960s, France, West Germany and Italy — the three founder members closest in size to the UK — produced more per person than we did and the gap grew larger every year. Between 1958, when the EEC was set up, and Britain’s entry in 1973, gross domestic product per head rose 95 per cent in these three countries compared with only 50 per cent in Britain.

After becoming an EEC member, Britain slowly began to catch up. Gross domestic product per person has grown faster than Italy, Germany and France in the 42 years since. By 2013, Britain became more prosperous than the average of the three other large European economies for the first time since 1965."
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It seems to me that those concerned about us being fleeced by the EU are being just a tad hypocritical wanting us to leave.
 
daylightrobber said:
As raised earlier in the thread but drowned out by some horrid noises.....


It seems to me that those concerned about us being fleeced by the EU are being just a tad hypocritical wanting us to leave.
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Suppose Poland, Ukraine, Bulgaria, Slovenia,Romania,Lithuania, Luxembourg,Hungary,Estonia, Greece and a few others agree with you
 

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