The EU deal

[peteblue]

No Britain did not sign up to a set of rules that could never be changed - if the need arises.

Its Germany dictating to the UK thinking we are Greece. When we aren't.

That point hasn't quite been grasped by Angela Merkel.

So what should we do if we can't control it. As you say Germany is calling the shots.........

 

[bizzaro]

So what should we do if we can't control it. As you say Germany is calling the shots.........

We've already done what needs to be done.

The mere threat of the referendum has changed the position of the EU already. Tusk has said it should interfere less in the affairs of member states (immigration is one such point).

Angela Merkel has already been put on notice to stop interfering in the internal affairs of the UK. She's also under political pressure at home. Having over reached herself.


Separately there is a real push now for certain reforms within the EU.

So my view is we stay in. However, with the understanding certain reforms are to be met.

 

[dholliday]

No Britain did not sign up to a set of rules that could never be changed - if the need arises.

Its Germany dictating to the UK thinking we are Greece. When we aren't.

That point hasn't quite been grasped by Angela Merkel.

Well, it has been grasped by her, that's why she's doing her thing.

How will you vote, damo?


EDIT: just seen your reply to Pete. Bit risky waiting for those reforms...

 

[bizzaro]

Well, it has been grasped by her, that's why she's doing her thing.

How will you vote, damo?

Remain.

However, I want Angela Merkel to keep out of UK political affairs and to understand that what is good for her is not necessarily good for the UK.

 

[peteblue]

We've already done what needs to be done.

The mere threat of the referendum has changed the position of the EU already. Tusk has said it should interfere less in the affairs of member states (immigration is one such point).

Angela Merkel has already been put on notice to stop interfering in the internal affairs of the UK. She's also under political pressure at home. Having over reached herself.


Separately there is a real push now for certain reforms within the EU.

So my view is we stay in. However, with the understanding certain reforms are to be met.

I didn't think you were so naive. If we cave in they will just walk all over us. If we vote to leave they may just come up with some serious changes, otherwise we walk......

 

[dholliday]

I didn't think you were so naive. If we cave in they will just walk all over us. If we vote to leave they may just come up with some serious changes, otherwise we walk......

what Pete said.

 

[bizzaro]

I didn't think you were so naive. If we cave in they will just walk all over us. If we vote to leave they may just come up with some serious changes, otherwise we walk......

We're not caving. We've already put the frighteners on her.

There is nothing to stop the UK calling another referendum in two or three years, if real appropriate changes are not made.


They thought we would never call a referendum in the first place. Honest.

The fact we have has already had the impact it needed to.

 

[peteblue]

We're not caving. We've already put the frighteners on her.

There is nothing to stop the UK calling another referendum in two or three years, if real appropriate changes are not made.


They thought we would never call a referendum in the first place. Honest.

The fact we have has already had the impact it needed to.

We have put no frighteners on anyone. The EU think it's done and dusted, we've given up our veto and we will vote to stay in. They have given us nothing. Vote to Leave and see what happens then........

 

[bizzaro]

We have put no frighteners on anyone. The EU think it's done and dusted, we've given up our veto and we will vote to stay in. They have given us nothing. Vote to Leave and see what happens then........

No thanks.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

We shouldn't need to Brexit the EU in order to have this control.

Its being enforced/dictated by Germany. To meet Germany's needs.

More people migrated to Britain last year from outside the EU than from inside it. Rather than forcing through such a huge change, why not make changes where you can already (not that I think we should btw). What's more, of the EU numbers, roughly three times as many come from the rich countries such as Germany and France as they do the accession 8 countries.

 

[peteblue]

More people migrated to Britain last year from outside the EU than from inside it. Rather than forcing through such a huge change, why not make changes where you can already (not that I think we should btw). What's more, of the EU numbers, roughly three times as many come from the rich countries such as Germany and France as they do the accession 8 countries.

It doesn't really matter where they come from. The problem is that too many are coming and we don't have the infrastructure to support them all. Something has to give..........

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

Why not?

If it is dead close, which is likely, and some loony stuff gets rammed down our throat/tories get back in/Scotland have another referendum, then the groundswell could well force another vote.

I don't know why everyone is swallowing the myth that the tories want to get out of the EU. Dismal Dave certainly doesn't, and is doing his best to skew the referendum to remain. If Corbyn was being honest he would be campaigning for the out vote as well, given his anti-EU past. Politicians in the main are looking after themselves above the interests of the country.

 

[Sarnia Kevin]

"Switzerland and Norway are doing fine by limiting their obligations to the EU without being a full part of it."

The emboldened bit. The Swiss for example - do not completely exclude themselves from EU laws. In order to trade with EU Swiss companies have to abide by EU law when doing business in EU.

They do this by the Cassis de Dijon Principles for virtually all products.

Its strictly wrong to try and say that either Switzerland or Norway have limited obligations to the EU.


The idea that Brexit will mean that British companies suddenly are regulation free is ridiculous. Its also dangerous since most of these common market rules are there to protect people. Bad politicians making wild dangerous claims that they cannot deliver.

The EU regulations are that good they are applied globally including ASEAN area.

So EU becomes a global leader. Its then easier to do business within and without EU.

Thats why.

That would be OK if the EU was becoming a global leader, but it isn't. It's drowning in its own bureaucracy and the rest of the world is leaving it behind, and if we stay in the EU we are tied to a dying body. We can trade better with the rest of the world without the dead hand of the EU steering us.

 

[bizzaro]

That would be OK if the EU was becoming a global leader, but it isn't. It's drowning in its own bureaucracy and the rest of the world is leaving it behind, and if we stay in the EU we are tied to a dying body. We can trade better with the rest of the world without the dead hand of the EU steering us.

This is not actually true. Parts of the EU are now emerging from recession.

But if you look at who has the highest growth rates in the major industrialised economies. Germany and UK.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/germanys-economy-hits-accelerator-in-1q-1463121019

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It doesn't really matter where they come from. The problem is that too many are coming and we don't have the infrastructure to support them all. Something has to give..........

I was just saying that we have the ability to 'manage' well over half of those migrants, so maybe start there if we really want to rather than making a hugely disruptive change on the pretext that we'll then be able to do with the other < half what we have shown little inclination to do with the > half.