The EU deal

[Pootsy]

Either way it's still a tory Govt.

And we can vote them out ourselves. We can't do this in Europe. Safer Out.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

er - no. Look at (at least in England) how many pieces of legislation were brought in to try and keep people on the land, and to control wages in the aftermath of the Black Death; the old feudal system was - though not without a struggle - dealt a mortal blow by the disease and never recovered.

As for workhouses / kids up chimneys and at t'mill, yes those happened but mainly because there was an over-supply of labour at that time - especially in towns as enclosures / agricultural technological improvements booted a lot of people out of the countryside and into towns, and the domestic small-scale textile industry was destroyed by the larger, more economic mills.

Once the economy caught up, more jobs came about, and labour got better organized, conditions improved fairly constantly up to the high point of 1945-1970.

Er, yes.

Serfdom might have been done away with by liz I in 1574 (?) but it still continued (to all intents & purposes) by way of other forms, from copyhold tenures, to the workhouses, to today's 'work for your dole.'

 

[Jib in lad]

Either way it's still a tory Govt.

I know mate a lose-lose but them three are even more repulsive than Cameron and Osborne.

 

[daylightrobber]

And we can vote them out ourselves. We can't do this in Europe. Safer Out.

When do we get to vote our head of state out?

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

This simply can't go on.

 

[Huyton Layne]

 

[Huyton Layne]

Also was thinking about Liverpool as a city under a tory government, what's their history as far as funding projects and infrastructure?
Found this for things the EU has done for the city.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/17-things-european-funding-done-10925208

 

[Bruce Wayne]

If we come out I'm hearing a lot of stuff about less protection for workers rights.

The thing is, it's very difficult to make an informed decision on the referendum because rather than facts being reported, 90% of the messages from both sides is opinion dressed up as fact.

If it helps mate, the Commons Library do a lot of impartial research that is supposed to then be used by MPs when making their decisions (on things they know little about). Here is their briefing on the pros and cons of Brexit.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7213

It might be a good place to start.

 

[Whistlin' Dixie]

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Point 4 in that picture.

£20bn over 10 years? £2bn per year? Whoo-hoo.

The cost to educate their kids is? The cost of theirs & their kids' medical treatment is? The inflated housing costs are? The cost of UK citizens on the dole because companies are preferring the cheaper labour coming from the EU is? What proportion of wages do EU migrants spend in the UK?

For a net EU migration of 184k extra people per year (Equal to the population a large town like Swindon) £2bn per annum is a paltry sum.

 

[Pootsy]

When do we get to vote our head of state out?

We have a General Election every 5 years unless called early.

 

[daylightrobber]

We have a General Election every 5 years unless called early.

But when do we get a vote on the head of state?

 

[Blue 1]

Our elected officials will be the ones passing laws etc. If we dont like them we can check them. Try change the president of the EU, of which there is:

President of the EU Council
President of the EU Commission
President of the EU Parliament
etc etc

Did you vote for any of them?

Not sure what any of them have got to do with privatising the NHS. It's our own government pushing for that. Brexit will hand power to the Tory right and will only accelerate it.

 

[Blue 1]

Its a lose-lose situation the EU is a joke just one big gravy train but I cant be part of handing power to Johnson/IDS/and Gove.

So I will be voting to stay in.

You should read the article I posted above.

 

[roydo]

But when do we get a vote on the head of state?

We dont need one. We know the next 3.

 

[Blue 1]

We have a General Election every 5 years unless called early.

The Queen is our head of state.