The EU deal

peteblue · May 26, 2016

daylightrobber said:
Our EU commissioner was proposed by our government in the same way that other member states propose their commissioner. We have the same control as other states in that we have a veto on TTIP. 28 countries will have to be satisfied that TTIP will work for them. 28 countries won't be.

So does that mean we can never do a deal with the USA while we remain in the EU with 28 veto's.........yet another reason to leave and do our own deal......

Cypher · May 26, 2016

Jib in lad said:
Nah I wouldn't.

Why? What they have done to Southern Europe is far worse than any Tory government has done to the North.

Do you really think that when immigration causes our population of poor/working class people to increase and puts a strain on public services they would be any more generous than the Tories?

What we have seen points to the opposite.

Cypher · May 26, 2016

daylightrobber said:
Our EU commissioner was proposed by our government in the same way that other member states propose their commissioner. We have the same control as other states in that we have a veto on TTIP. 28 countries will have to be satisfied that TTIP will work for them. 28 countries won't be.

Who elected our commissioner?

The Cowboy · May 26, 2016

Rob17896 said:
Was at a European public health conference yesterday and the benefits of collaboration were very obvious to all present. Not saying this would stop but membership makes it very easy. Really is too much to lose by leaving. Without being too 'imagine' it really is better to act in the interests of the continent.

So what do Norway, Switzerland etc do?

Still feels like the Remain camp are making out exiting means leaving Europe, not the EU.

daylightrobber · May 26, 2016

Cypher said:
Who elected our commissioner?

The person we elected to lead our country, part of who's job it is to make sure we have proper, capable representation at the Commission.

peteblue · May 26, 2016

Cypher said:
Who elected our commissioner?

daylightrobber · May 26, 2016

peteblue said:
So does that mean we can never do a deal with the USA while we remain in the EU with 28 veto's.........yet another reason to leave and do our own deal......

Obviously not. We're doing deals with China in nuclear ffs.

Cypher · May 26, 2016

daylightrobber said:
The person we elected to lead our country, part of who's job it is to make sure we have proper, capable representation at the Commission.

So not the people. It's an extra layer which makes it more difficult for the people to control their government.

Why do you think it is setup like this?

I guess you hit the nail on the head. "Make sure we have proper, capable representation at the Commission." - We can't have the people choosing that.

peteblue · May 26, 2016

The Cowboy said:
So what do Norway, Switzerland etc do?

Still feels like the Remain camp are making out exiting means leaving Europe, not the EU.

I like the way that now Cameron is the least trusted politician in the matter, that a few remain supporting newspapers are saying that he's a natural brexiteer and distancing themselves from him........

I'm sure that we've pretty well all made our minds up, perhaps we could have a straw poll........

peteblue · May 26, 2016

daylightrobber said:
Obviously not. We're doing deals with China in nuclear ffs.

But I thought you all said that we wouldn't be able to do any deals with anyone if we left the EU, at least be consistent....

Cypher · May 26, 2016

The Cowboy said:
So what do Norway, Switzerland etc do?

Still feels like the Remain camp are making out exiting means leaving Europe, not the EU.

That's because they want to paint everyone who would vote leave as little Englanders. The decision is simply how do you want to be governed. Either by an elected parliament or by a technocracy that is more or less controlled by corporate interests and lobby groups.

daylightrobber · May 26, 2016

peteblue said:
But I thought you all said that we wouldn't be able to do any deals with anyone if we left the EU, at least be consistent....

No I didn't I said that we wouldn't get favourable terms.

The Cowboy · May 26, 2016

Cypher said:
That's because they want to paint everyone who would vote leave as little Englanders. The decision is simply how do you want to be governed. Either by an elected parliament or by a technocracy that is more or less controlled by corporate interests and lobby groups.

Well it's not really as simple as that, is it? There's plenty of practicalities to consider, like traveling to / working in Europe.

Rob17896 · May 26, 2016

The Cowboy said:
So what do Norway, Switzerland etc do?

Still feels like the Remain camp are making out exiting means leaving Europe, not the EU.

No. Just saying that I believe that the more Europe does as a united unit the more it will achieve. The EU. promoting civilisation!

daylightrobber · May 26, 2016

Cypher said:
So not the people. It's an extra layer which makes it more difficult for the people to control their government.

Why do you think it is setup like this?

I guess you hit the nail on the head. "Make sure we have proper, capable representation at the Commission." - We can't have the people choosing that.

Weak argument. The UK's EU commissioner is the UK representative at the top table in the EU. The UK government has every right to appoint the person they feel is best for the job, just like they do in many other fields.