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Hope you are wrong. But I fear you are right.
Steve Wigan
Player Valuation: £35m
Good post. Ironically, Gregg had Bill to thank for a large part of his success in business. Gregg used to buy run down theatres, do a cheap refurbishment to comply with Health and Safety etc., and put Bills shows into the theatres. Bill Kenwright did, and still does, arrange tours of provincial theatres with budget versions of successful shows, and he fills theatres this way because the show already has a 'name' and is very marketable. Bill does this very well indeed, and a lot of his shows tour all the time, so he and his backers earn regular money. He produces shows that look a lot better than they should, given that he keeps costs at a very minimum(sound familiar?). Gregg built up by a steady routine of theatre refurbs, and Bill Kenwright shows. It was of course Bill who 'sold' the idea of the KD to Gregg...and Gregg smelled big money right away(Big money for Gregg...not for Everton). When the banks did not accept the terms of the deal Gregg offered Everton, and pulled the £30 million that had been available( Bill wrongly used the word 'ringfenced' and this simple word is thrown back at him regularly by the usuals. Bill should have said 'we can get the money if the banks/financial institutions think the terms of the KD deal are satisfactory.' Another example of Bills enthusiasm and exaggeration harming his credibility.) Gregg took the hump and fell out with Bill big style. How could he harm Bill the most? By taking from him the thing he loved most, Everton Football Club. Hence Bills 'show' with Samuelson etc....perfectly legitimate subterfuge , particularly in the theatre, an industry based on exaggeration, subterfuge, and smoke and mirrors. Not as successful, unfortunately, in football, when supporters are waiting for £15 million to be spent on players.
Phil Green has allegedly invested in Bills theatre shows for years..it a hobby for many of the mega rich...and sometimes they make a few bob...an investment in Phantom Of The Opera since the start would have earned a tidy sum by now. Phil is a Kenwright family friend and certainly gives Bill 'advice' whether this translates into financial help, I'm not sure. If it does, it could well be help to Bill and not directly Everton. It may find its way to Everton through Bill, or it might be worth looking at a possible link with Greens presumed theatrical investment and money into Everton. I doubt that any of this will be illegal, Green is a good and clever businessman, thats why he's were he is. When Gregg had been beaten and wanted out, Green probably recommended Earl, and he was 'sold' on the idea because of the upcoming DK enterprise. Green would also have an interest in the retail possibilities at the KD development...but then he was interested in any new retail development in the country, not just in Knowsley. That was his business.
So a lot of what you say in your post above could well be the case. At present the club is in a reasonable /good position...it is further progress that concerns all supporters, and for that to happen, a lot of work has to be done by a lot of people regarding a new stadium, investment, supporters PR, and in other areas. We WILL get there in the end, but I couldn't hazard a guess at how far away the 'end' is.
Chang Elephant
Forum God
Any chance of clarifying exactly which points were opinion/agenda ?
Starting with 1) for instance, is it opinion that bogus investors were presented to the shareholders at AGM, or are you saying it was purely opinion that this is shady business practice verging on illegality ?
Why are Bill's personal devotees unable to clearly respond to/address points btw ?
Chang Elephant
Forum God
@Steve Wigan
or 2) is it opinion that Bill stated the Kings Dock money was ringefenced (you're suggesting he said something else) ?, or is the opinion about the definition of what ringfenced means - I'd say already in place or guaranteed to be in place, but you think it can mean will ask the banks for it at some future point and see what happens ?
or 2) is it opinion that Bill stated the Kings Dock money was ringefenced (you're suggesting he said something else) ?, or is the opinion about the definition of what ringfenced means - I'd say already in place or guaranteed to be in place, but you think it can mean will ask the banks for it at some future point and see what happens ?
Chang Elephant
Forum God
or 4) is it opinion that Ian Ross emails appeared on the net talking clearly about media manipulation ? If your opinion is they weren't his, why was he immediately sacked ? If they weren't his, and portrayed the club wrongly, why no action from the club to take them down off websites ?
Where is the opinion mate, I'm struggling to see it ?
Where is the opinion mate, I'm struggling to see it ?
Steve Wigan
Player Valuation: £35m
Bogus...prove it. What was 'verging on illegality? You mean LEGAL? Verging on legality is your opinion. Without wishing to go over old Kipper ground, there is some credence in the theory that the money eventually finished up at Leeds United. The money existed. The person was at the meeting( Despite the usuals ridiculous assertion that he was an 'actor', he was seen a few weeks later at Elland Road with Ken Bates, and Leeds eventually got investment (strangely enough, £15 million) from a company with a very,very similar name to Samuelsons company. So, bogus, no. Stalking horse to remove Gregg. Yes. Expedient Yes Illegal NO.
Steve Wigan
Player Valuation: £35m
Nice spin on what I said..I DID NOT say 'ask the bank at some future point and see what happens' I did say the banks had already said the money was available if the terms of the deal were suitable to them.When Greggs 'deal' was finally reported, the banks said 'no' because it was not a good deal in their opinion, for Everton. Hence the money was(in Bills ill chosen word) 'ringfenced' subject to a deal.
Foot Long Hot Dog
Player Valuation: A packet of pork scratchings
Samuelson fronted FSF and the money behind it was from the Zingarevich family, who ended up taking over at Reading 2years ago. It wasn't 'bogus' at all.
toffee matt
Player Valuation: £60m
Who has today resigned from the board at reading leaving the club on the brink of administration.
What comes around goes around hey
Chang Elephant
Forum God
Not ringfenced then, he deliberately misled project partners, media and fans....i.e. Bill, your hero, lied.
Chang Elephant
Forum God
It existed but never materialised - it never was going to, as you say it was a "means to an end", so yet again Bill misled shareholders, fans and the media....i.e. your hero lied once again.
Steve Wigan
Player Valuation: £35m
True. Samuelson had the money...Bill didn't really want it, as he knew the source. Bills aim was to get Gregg out, purely and simply, because Gregg was not really interestedin , and would not have been good for Everton. Gregg got involved later with, I think, Sheffield Wednesday(??)and that all ended in tears as well.
Sharpys top lip
Player Valuation: £60m
Bill...
as in Blue Bill bestest Evertonian ever lived on the face of the planet universe ever, ever...LIED!!!!
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Im not having that...
Watch this space __________________________________________________________________!!!!!
jaycee
Player Valuation: £60m
Again Steve you make a point in that Bill wanted Gregg out because Gregg wasnt "interested" yet he brings in Green who also isnt interested
strange move dont you think?
Sharpys top lip
Player Valuation: £60m
Kings Dock
Destination Kirkby
FSF
Casinos
Rooney
Board Members
Loans
Everton for sale
man in 1 bed flat over shops
etc,etc,etc...
Bill doesn't lie, He just gets muddled up every now an then.
Leave him, he's a Evertonian, hes the best man to sell us.....
Destination Kirkby
FSF
Casinos
Rooney
Board Members
Loans
Everton for sale
man in 1 bed flat over shops
etc,etc,etc...
Bill doesn't lie, He just gets muddled up every now an then.
Leave him, he's a Evertonian, hes the best man to sell us.....
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