The Everton Board Thread

[The binman chronicles]

"If we are run as a business" is a scary statement mate, the club is a business whether we like it or not, even the likes of Newcastle and City need to be run like a business. It's not one of the other. All I'd say is, when Everton were run more 'like a business', we got a hell of a lot closer to success than we have by splashing cash we don't have on bang average players.

As for administration, it's most certainly a realistic threat - this line is from our most recent accounts: "These matters indicate that a material uncertainty exists that may cast significant doubt over on the Group’s ability to continue as a going concern." - Moshiri had to provide a letter of support stating that he would support the club financially, but it isn't legally binding.

By business I mean someone gets something from it, people don't run businesses to be not for profit. Everton do not make a lot of profit and although income streams could be increased a bit we come to the chicken and egg scenario that you can't really have one first without the other. Unless we get taken over by a corporation that is dying to get their name in lights and sponsor the stadium for huge sums, the only way to increase profitability is to slash playing and non playing staff and every little corner possible.

Some of that of course is long overdue, some however is not. There will be no distinguishing of that fact and it will quickly feel like a totally different club - EitC, Goodison legacy all under threat etc. and just wait to see what the ticket prices will go to as they won't give a hoot about local support.

With so many clubs ahead in the pecking order I would like to know how you think we'll get any closer to success. Moshiri under Usmanov was to use umbrella sponsorships to provide more money (their own) to the club to invest in the playing staff. These will run us not too dissimilar to the Kenwright era but as said this time we have at least 7 clubs ahead of us.

Re administration, the accounts are forced to add that statement as we run at a loss that Moshiri has been covering for the most part. The point is would Moshiri stop paying and force administration thus devaluing anything he gets back? I don't think he would and seeing whose play money it was to start with I'm sure he could go without until we are sold.

 

[MisterJ]

I wouldn’t really look into much this group has done previous and extrapolate it. The fact of the matter is if Moshiri and the board are removed and replaced, Everton will improve dramatically.

I genuinely believe that the upper management of this club is among the worst in the world. It would be an achievement on the part of 777 to possibly find anyone who’d run a club worse than we have in the past near decade. That’s a fact.

Boris Johnson, .Jacob Rees-Mogg, Nadine Dorries and Pritti Patel?

 

[Melchizedek]

100% hoping for a full takeover because our current board and owner have run the club into the ground.

100% nervous that it will end in disaster because of how the two previous takeovers have gone for us.

Feel like being an Everton supporter is the same as that old proverb/curse, "may you live in interesting times"

 

[davek]

Its not mate, thats just having the business sense of a rodent.

Mosh, Bill or some clueless Yanks, none of it matters, the only way we get back to the top is with Oil money, which we aint getting.

A few seasons floating around in 15th will do us good.

Better than floating around in 19th.

New stadium + PL status = big investment. Eventually.

There's no way Everton will be staying in settled hands for even as long as Moshiri has had it. I foresee churn in the ownership of this club.

 

[Tommy.]

Just talk of the potential takeover really, some for some against

Thanks mate; nothing of note then.

At this point I only feel it's fair I share a sample of my working week which started on Sunday when a lad rang to tell me he had a headache then pretended to cough.

My life.

 

[JLW]

I suspect you're right chief however I have no desire for change just for the sake of it. Whilst things have gone wrong in recent seasons at least you know the current fella is funding things himself and not through bank loans on the club which can easily change when it comes to US owners. People talk about Glazers and Hicks/Gillette but Burnley were taken over literally last year with debt put on them by a US group not to dissimilar to 777.

Unless the right custodians come on board we'll still be pissing in the wind in this league of Shiekh owned clubs and cartel protected elite sides.

Its not for sake of it is it?

We are staring relegation in the face for the 2nd year on the bounce
We have a points deduction/hefty fine or transfer ban for breach of the rules coming our way.
If any of the above happen then a relegation battle is a strong possibility next season also.
We could be just 2 weeks away from not being in top flight football for the first time in my lifetime,

All this whilst having a billionaire owner whos supposedly good with numbers (Accountant) and a clueless clown chairman. With these guys we are on a road to extinction.

I would take the Glazers and Hicks/Gillette over our lot any day of the week.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

By business I mean someone gets something from it, people don't run businesses to be not for profit. Everton do not make a lot of profit and although income streams could be increased a bit we come to the chicken and egg scenario that you can't really have one first without the other. Unless we get taken over by a corporation that is dying to get their name in lights and sponsor the stadium for huge sums, the only way to increase profitability is to slash playing and non playing staff and every little corner possible.

Some of that of course is long overdue, some however is not. There will be no distinguishing of that fact and it will quickly feel like a totally different club - EitC, Goodison legacy all under threat etc. and just wait to see what the ticket prices will go to as they won't give a hoot about local support.

With so many clubs ahead in the pecking order I would like to know how you think we'll get any closer to success. Moshiri under Usmanov was to use umbrella sponsorships to provide more money (their own) to the club to invest in the playing staff. These will run us not too dissimilar to the Kenwright era but as said this time we have at least 7 clubs ahead of us.

Re administration, the accounts are forced to add that statement as we run at a loss that Moshiri has been covering for the most part. The point is would Moshiri stop paying and force administration thus devaluing anything he gets back? I don't think he would and seeing whose play money it was to start with I'm sure he could go without until we are sold.

Its why the criticism of the clubs revenue system baffles me and shows that some dont understand the current state of play in the league.

Take shirt sponserships - most clubs of our size (WHU, Villa, Leicester, Newcastle) have sponsers around the £6-10 mil mark (we have the 2nd highest behind WHU who are marginally bigger) yet Newcastle are getting a new Saudi doped sponser of £25 mil next season - thats nothing to do with business expertise its just doping.

BMD will help to an extent but outside of owner linked sponsers the only way you can increase revenues to a sizable amount is with continous success which is impossible with FFP. Leicester are the perfect example - League Title, FA Cup, 1x season in the CL and 2x in Europa League yet they're struggling and due to get relegated.

This idea that some wolf of wall street Texan is gonna waltz in and bag us Nike and Adidas sponsers rivalling Spurs, Chelsea etc whilst we sit in 17th is ludicrous.

We need the "right" buyer.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

Its not for sake of it is it?

We are staring relegation in the face for the 2nd year on the bounce
We have a points deduction/hefty fine or transfer ban for breach of the rules coming our way.
If any of the above happen then a relegation battle is a strong possibility next season also.
We could be just 2 weeks away from not being in top flight football for the first time in my lifetime,

All this whilst having a billionaire owner whos supposedly good with numbers (Accountant) and a clueless clown chairman. With these guys are on a road to extinction.

I would take the Glazers and Hicks/Gillette over our lot any day of the week.

Leicester are due to get relegated and they have owners we would snatch their hands off for.

Outside of the elite / financially doped clubs everyones heed is on the chopping block after 1-2 dodgy transfer windows, managerial appointments & skirting with FFP.

 

[Tony’s Carp]

Its not for sake of it is it?

We are staring relegation in the face for the 2nd year on the bounce
We have a points deduction/hefty fine or transfer ban for breach of the rules coming our way.
If any of the above happen then a relegation battle is a strong possibility next season also.
We could be just 2 weeks away from not being in top flight football for the first time in my lifetime,

All this whilst having a billionaire owner whos supposedly good with numbers (Accountant) and a clueless clown chairman. With these guys we are on a road to extinction.

I would take the Glazers and Hicks/Gillette over our lot any day of the week.

Still, if it ain't broke don't fix it eh?

 

[blueblue]

What do you have in terms of evidence to support this?

Support what ?
Not being pedantic, I just don't understand your question.

 

[JLW]

Still, if it ain't broke don't fix it eh?

Agreed, its broke though in fact its in bits so fix it before it becomes unrepairable

 

[MikeH72]

Support what ?
Not being pedantic, I just don't understand your question.

You said you think Moshiri is now a wiser man, what has made you think this?

 

[Simon Buttle]

Is he? The money sure seems to have dried up since those Russian sanctions hit.

Not funding anything, if he was he wouldn't be so desperate for investment help towards the stadium. It's clearly been Usmanovs coin all along (like you indicated) Farhad is a wealthy guy on paper but he doesn't really have the disposable cash needed to run a top level football club and build a new stadium at the same time without a serious dent into his own personal fortune. It's chicken feed to a guy like Usmanov.

 

[Mrk]

By business I mean someone gets something from it, people don't run businesses to be not for profit. Everton do not make a lot of profit and although income streams could be increased a bit we come to the chicken and egg scenario that you can't really have one first without the other. Unless we get taken over by a corporation that is dying to get their name in lights and sponsor the stadium for huge sums, the only way to increase profitability is to slash playing and non playing staff and every little corner possible.

Do you not think Moshiri wants to get something from Everton? Was his aim not to buy Everton, increase it's value through success on and off the pitch and then have an asset at his disposal that is worth much more than he paid for it?

With so many clubs ahead in the pecking order I would like to know how you think we'll get any closer to success. Moshiri under Usmanov was to use umbrella sponsorships to provide more money (their own) to the club to invest in the playing staff. These will run us not too dissimilar to the Kenwright era but as said this time we have at least 7 clubs ahead of us.

The flaw with this logic is that even if Usmanov was still able to provide cash, we can't compete with the likes of Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Newcastle because we have catastrophically failed to increase the commercial performance of the club. It doesn't matter how rich your owner is, if you're not well run off the pitch you can't spend it. This is why I think a different approach that focuses on returning Everton to being a well-run club will pay dividends in the long run, as we'll be less reliant on idiotic billionaires and more reliant on our own success.

Re administration, the accounts are forced to add that statement as we run at a loss that Moshiri has been covering for the most part. The point is would Moshiri stop paying and force administration thus devaluing anything he gets back? I don't think he would and seeing whose play money it was to start with I'm sure he could go without until we are sold.

Don't disagree, but neither you or me know:

1. How much cash Moshiri would be required to provide should the worst happen
2. How much of our debt would be called in by our lenders
3. How much cash Moshiri has available to him

Could Moshiri even provide enough cash even if he wanted to? We literally have no idea. Hence why administration is a very real concern, unless the club decided to sell the stadium for a cut price in order to raise cash.

 

[MikeH72]

Leicester are due to get relegated and they have owners we would snatch their hands off for.

Outside of the elite / financially doped clubs everyones heed is on the chopping block after 1-2 dodgy transfer windows, managerial appointments & skirting with FFP.

What??? No they don’t???? They’re in a worse position than us, their fans are protesting against their owners.