"The fans wanted him sacked"

[bicycleheader]

the only one who does that is @davek and it couldn't be clearer even in this short thread, I can show you if you want, I got a thread reply from @banno where he made some good points even other posters said so, and I tried to answer all of them, I asked @davek whether he trust Martinez in the market to which he never replied

its not only @davek

and I wasn't getting at you in particular. merely commenting on the thread in general

 

[Saint Domingo]

Proof will be in the results. Kendall turned it round, Walker didn't. Martinez will have his time to turn it around. Has he shown any indication he can? Not for me. He will get the time to do it though. Could do with a Reid and a Gray mind. Imagine Southall Reid and Gray coming into this team and looking at the likes of Barkley and Lukaku swanning around.

 

[orly]

I only asked one question: what manager has run up a record PL total for their clubs and then been sacked the following season? I'm sure there must be one, but no one has provided it yet or the details to back it up.

Strange.

Was Phil Brown no good? i thought it was a runner

 

[Bally1960]

Makes me laugh how one 5th place finish (hello Alan pardew at newcastle) has some fans thinking this is a blip season. You mean like those 5 odd seasons at wigan with nothing but relegation battles/poor signings/ Caldwell at CB and eventual relegation.

He won a cup so did Alex Mcleish you want him as everton manager?

Get rid and get someone like Tuchel or De Boer in like Southampton have done with Koeman.

 

[toffeejack]

@davek - I tell you what, you come back when you can find an example of any manager at any club who ran up that club's biggest ever Premier League number of points and was sacked the next season for dropping into the bottom half of the table.

In your own time.

I can do better than that mate, I can give you 2 managers who got the can after having provided record PL points tallys, winning their sides the league title and got canned a year later and where nowhere near the botton half of the league.

Mancini & Mourinho.....

How about Redknapp guiding Spurs to their best ever PL finish and points total in 2010, brought 5th home the following season - plus a CL QF, managed 4th again the following season - and got canned in the summer.........

That's without even having a bleeding look. People live in the present, especially in football, as it's a results business.

he said for dropping into the bottom half of the table

 

[Pippi Longstocking]

Proof will be in the results. Kendall turned it round, Walker didn't. Martinez will have his time to turn it around. Has he shown any indication he can? Not for me. He will get the time to do it though. Could do with a Reid and a Gray mind. Imagine Southall Reid and Gray coming into this team and looking at the likes of Barkley and Lukaku swanning around.

That was where I was going, added point being that the Reid/Southall/Gray types are seldom the big money signings but usually also promising players. I don't see us buying any promising players, just ageing 'once' players who almost made it. The exception might be the loan signings and maybe Mirallas/Besic.

 

[toffeejack]

Makes me laugh how one 5th place finish (hello Alan pardew at newcastle) has some fans thinking this is a blip season. You mean like those 5 odd seasons at wigan with nothing but relegation battles/poor signings/ Caldwell at CB and eventual relegation.

He won a cup so did Alex Mcleish you want him as everton manager?

Get rid and get someone like Tuchel or De Boer in like Southampton have done with Koeman.

the fact we've finished top 8 every season for a while is why people think it's a blip season. he's still very young for a manager, he'll make mistakes just like our young players will. said managers coming to britain for the first time will probably make mistakes as well. koeman is doing what martinez did last season except he's been bankrolled heavily, let's give him a second season to see if he's better than martinez shall we?

 

[Pippi Longstocking]

the fact we've finished top 8 every season for a while is why people think it's a blip season. he's still very young for a manager, he'll make mistakes just like our young players will. said managers coming to britain for the first time will probably make mistakes as well. koeman is doing what martinez did last season except he's been bankrolled heavily, let's give him a second season to see if he's better than martinez shall we?

See Michael Laudrup.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

he said for dropping into the bottom half of the table

I know mate and I gave him 3 far better examples where a record points score one season (football start in '93 btw?) didn't require such a dramatic fall from grace to result in the sack.....

That 72 point trophy is all he's got left to cling to........funny how he took the piss about the 5th / 6th place trophy when Moyes was in the hot seat. Anyone who didn't know better might think he was a complete hypocrite

 

[davek]

I know mate and I gave him 3 far better examples where a record points score one season (football start in '93 btw?) didn't require such a dramatic fall from grace to result in the sack.....

That 72 point trophy is all he's got left to cling to........funny how he took the piss about the 5th / 6th place trophy when Moyes was in the hot seat. Anyone who didn't know better might think he was a complete hypocrite

Try 7th place trophy.

 

[willo30]

The difference being with Martinez as opposed to more notably Kendall & Moyes is that he wasn't taking over from a sacked manager and we were in good shape. I was only young when Kendall Mk1 happened so don't know how bad it was then.

The last time I remember an appointment in these circumstances it was when Colin Harvey was appointed and that didn't end well. You could say it was the start of our demise from the heady heights of the 80s. Some would say it was Heysel and I believe that was the reason Kendall left but in the end Harvey wasn't up to it.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Try 7th place trophy.

Didn't he get 3 of those, 2x 6th place trophies, 2x 5th place shields and the holy grail of pointless pots - a 4th place big ears?

 

[The Equaliser]

Different era. There is no comparison between then and the money driven multi million £ cash rich stay-in-the-league-at-all-costs PL of 2015.

 

[bignev23]

It's nice to think he could turn it around and be as successful as Kendall was, The Europa League would be a great spring board for that.

Here are the results from 83/84 season from start up until just after the league cup game against Oxford away which Heath scored and supposedly saved his Bacon.

I have us being ahead on points to were we are now with 34 Points by the end of January from 24 games played and still in both cups. It looks to me that we were never as crap that season as we are now. Which tells me that Martinez is a lucky man by comparison for keeping his job.

We need Kone to go on a A.Heath style goalscoring run which will kickstart us on the road to success.

 

[Bally1960]

the fact we've finished top 8 every season for a while is why people think it's a blip season. he's still very young for a manager, he'll make mistakes just like our young players will. said managers coming to britain for the first time will probably make mistakes as well. koeman is doing what martinez did last season except he's been bankrolled heavily, let's give him a second season to see if he's better than martinez shall we?

He's useless and the people championing him as the man to lead the Revival next season will be in for dissapointment when it's a side of:

Barry Mccarthy Cleverly

Lennon Lukaku Naismith

Doing nothing and stuck in mid table. Paul Lambert at villa is exactly how it will go down, sticking with a poor manager who won't change things around.

The likes of Mirallas out with goals and assists and cleverly and lennon in with no end product says it all about where we are heading.