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The Greatest Rapper

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I don't know mate. I honestly think it's about the individual songs / tracks. It's the combination of rhythm, flow, structure and melody that determines great rap. No one in my opinion applies that to everything they do.

Jay-Z thoroughly annoys me at times with unnecessary profanity and playing up to a stereotype, then brings out something fantastic which is unrivalled by today's 'rap' artists.

Dilated Peoples anyone? "Reach Us"...


Little soft spot for these

'worst comes to worst' still raises a smile
 
it doesn't really bother me all that much to be honest, I can appreciate it can be very complex, in the same way I can appreciate UFC can, both pander to their own image far too much though, which results in a strong whopper following
Judging rap by current popular music in the genre is a bit like judging rock by current pop music. There is plenty of really awful pandering stuff, but there is loads of good stuff out there too.

Not suggesting that you would like the good stuff, it's not for everyone, but I find a lot of people are too quick to write off a genre (any genre) based on the superficial popular artists.
 

it doesn't really bother me all that much to be honest, I can appreciate it can be very complex, in the same way I can appreciate UFC can, both pander to their own image far too much though, which results in a strong whopper following
I think if you don't like rap you must hate black people mate.
 
Andre Nickatina is a favorite of mine, representing the bay area and all that. Of course, Nas, Wu Tang, Tribe Called Quest and 2Pac all deserve a mention. Never did care much for Jay Z though, he's a decent enough producer but I don't like him as a rapper at all.
 

Judging rap by current popular music in the genre is a bit like judging rock by current pop music. There is plenty of really awful pandering stuff, but there is loads of good stuff out there too.

Not suggesting that you would like the good stuff, it's not for everyone, but I find a lot of people are too quick to write off a genre (any genre) based on the superficial popular artists.
your almost certainly right mate, was just trying to yank a few tails, but @Muggins is just too nice to wind up
 
oh, can't believe I forgot MF Doom (including his myriad of personalities, Madvillainy is certainly a big favorite of mine).

interesting link for those who haven't seen it, some numbers regarding the actual linguistic complexity of the raps (since we're talking about Wu Tang): http://rappers.mdaniels.com.s3-website-us-east-1.amazonaws.com/
I mentioned Dr Octagon earlier (aka Kool Keith) not surprised he's also near the top for largest vocabulary.
 

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