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The Moment You Knew He Had Failed...

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John BCN said:
We were in 18th just before the Kevin Brock Oxford United match.
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Thanks. I’ve just checked and there were 22 teams in the league then, and we were 11 points off the relegation places in mid January 1984.

Howard really did turn it around tho. We kept ourselves in the league cup and found ourselves in the final just a few weeks later, and then won the FA Cup in May. That’s really not gona happen with Lampard.
 
Dymak said:
Thanks. I’ve just checked and there were 22 teams in the league then, and we were 11 points off the relegation places in mid January 1984.

Howard really did turn it around tho. We kept ourselves in the league cup and found ourselves in the final just a few weeks later, and then won the FA Cup in May. That’s really not gona happen with Lampard.
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Good research and a great point. Yes, I don't remember feeling at risk of relegation at the time. Howard had in his favour the fact that he had already worked miracles in the transfer market. Heath, Gray, Sheedy, Reid and Steven all about to hit top form. Lampard and Thelwell have not recruited so well. The front four just don't have a goal in them.
 
Drico said:
As an Evertonian of 42 years, I have often looked back at managers and other officials at Everton and tried to pinpoint the moment I realised that they had failed and would not make a success of the role they were in.

In my experience, from my perspective, the club usually acts only later than this moment. For example, I "knew" Marcel Brands would not be a success when Everton signed Alex Iwobi. Sure, he's had three decent months, but he has largely been a disastrous waste of money. Arsenal fans are still laughing...

With Roberto, it was the signing of Aiden McGeady. This summed up the recklessness of Martinez: indulging an indisciplined, flaky, flashy luxury player (well, if you shop for luxury in Aldi). As an Irishman, I knew in my bones that this was a fatal error. Roberto's "flash in the pan" made flesh. Still, at that point, Roberto was still in the ascendancy. A 3-0 hammering at Southampton later that year was my moment of confirmation.

With Moyes, it was the cup defeat to Reading when only Man City - who we regularly schooled at the time - remained a real live threat in the competition. Blew his chance.

The Watford hammering under Benitez shook me. For all the controversy of his appointment, he started well, but the wheels came off spectacularly and, given the atmosphere around the club, I felt, deep down, that there was no coming back from that - even if he simply went on to dig his own grave afterwards.

As for Frank, I never rated him. But he earned his shot at proving me wrong at the very end of last season. He oversaw an escape that Houdini would have been proud of - even if, like Harry, he had tied himself in knots first. And his "moment"? Well, despite my scepticism of his abilities, it was only the 3-0 hiding at Bournemouth that completely convinced me that he had passed the point of return. Matter of time now.

Thelwell, for now, hasn't reached that "point". Here's hoping he doesn't.

When did you think "Such and Such" was a busted flush?
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Biggest one for me Unsworth at Southampton, watching Joe Royal come down the steps to speak to him, new he was finished there and then
 

Mickey said:
Ferguson had pedigree though, he won the Cup winners cup with Aberdeen, was a top top manager before even joining Utd. No comparison with Frank who's on 5 million a year and fans are happy to let him learn on the job.
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According to Google he's on £7.84 million a year.
 
BullensRoad said:
Be interested to know how his interview went.
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He'd all ready aced 2 'practical interviews' The Wigan Cup-tie and beating City in the final...the relegation was lost in the shuffle of Kenwrights Infatuation. He could've come in to Bills office, climbed on the desk and dropped a chocolate log - he was that 'In'...and not too expensive, well apart from having to buy Kone and Alcarez as an alleged sweetener to 'did you know I broke my leg at Wembley' Whelan.

On the plus side he did make us £50M on Lukaku.
 

Lob said:
Nobody survives getting thumped twice in twice in 4 days with an aggregate of 1 - 7 by a newly promoted team who had just lost 4 on the bounce and were one of the favourites to be relegated. It was the beginning of the end when you add to it just how poor this season has been overall. Might not happen right now but it is inevitable in my humble opinion.
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The world Cup break come at the right time for Lampard as confident on the team is shattered. He got months now to sort it out.
 
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gianthogweed said:
When they start giving post match interviews wildeyed and unshaven talking about positives when the reality is totally different
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One of the photoshop fiends could defo do a montage of Bobby, Koeman, Silva and a Frank in particular with their day one pics vs their nervous breakdown Jack Nicholson in the Shining faces after they’ve been well and truly Evertoned
 

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