The Moyes legacy: reflections.

[Joey66]

The closest both came was a cup final. However Lee took over a team that was already in the semis (Vs Bolton who were a division below). Moyes had a very difficult run to the final in 2009 and also faced a much better team in his final (Chelsea) than Lee did in his (Villa). Lee's best league position (3rd) only marginally better than Moyes (4th) in an era where we had far greater clout in the transfer market.

Also Moyes left Everton in a decent position, Lee spent his final two seasons securing top flight safety with two games left. One left because he was offered one of the world's top coaching job,the other was sacked because nobody wanted him at the club any more.

Lee's football in his pomp was better & signed a young Sharpy ......

 

[ilikecheese]

He most certainly wasn't perfect, and I hated the fact that we had become 'David Moyes' FC.

However, we never had a relegation battle under any of his full seasons with us.

In the final Rooney year when we ended up with 39 points, we only slumped that low because we lost the last 5 games of the season. We were never in real trouble.

We could do with that sort of stability for the next few years.

Hopefully Frank is the man, as I hate these constant rebuilds.

Of course we would all welcome a better Moyes 2.0. Frank inherited a similar situation to Moyes after all.

We were and are in a shambles. We just sold our best known player. Not exactly the same but similar.

I hope Frank can replicate the stability while at the same time not be frightened of being being bold enough to try to win versus trying not to lose.

Martinez and the Everloan strategy was a breathe of life this club needed even though it didn't work out in the end.

 

[ilikecheese]

Why is this in the Everton forum?

 

[Ihaters]

I’ll never forget the great times we had under our David. A fantastic FA cup final loss, losing the semi final to Liverpool despite dominating the game, playing out reserves at Anfield, all them trips away to the top 4 clubs and not once getting a win. A truly fantastic manager, one of the greats of modern football.

The man spent sod all money, built multiple teams from scratch, and took a team that finished almost always bottom half to almost always top half despite it.
He leaves, we get buckets of money to spend and manager after manager has put us on a downward tragectory.
Mock all you like, but he's the best we have had in a long time and did a frankly remarkable job considering..

 

[Death]

Why is this in the Everton forum?

Its about Everton mate.

 

[chicoazul]

I see some still struggle with chasing Moyes out and ruining Everton in the process. Accountability is not a virtue of the biggest angriest mouths.

 

[Moonlight dribbler]

If Moyes had arrived in 91/92 rather than 01/02, I feel Everton's history would have been significantly different in a better way. Ten years later it was very difficult for him to bridge the gap.

 

[Rita_Poon]

over ten years now,' Sigh'

 

[Rita_Poon]

Left footers in this

I detest what we've become...

 

[jonnyboy316]

If Moyes had arrived in 91/92 rather than 01/02, I feel Everton's history would have been significantly different in a better way. Ten years later it was very difficult for him to bridge the gap.

You also have to ask what he would have done with the money Mosh spent. Although whether he would have been listened to is another matter. There were times where we a top striker away from being a contender

 

[n01efc]

You also have to ask what he would have done with the money Mosh spent. Although whether he would have been listened to is another matter. There were times where we a top striker away from being a contender

Absolutely, Moyes said himself this was the problem which prevented us bing a regular CL team. We simply needed a 20 goal a season striker, which would have cost about 25m at the time and we simply didn’t have the money.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Absolutely, Moyes said himself this was the problem which prevented us bing a regular CL team. We simply needed a 20 goal a season striker, which would have cost about 25m at the time and we simply didn’t have the money.

He was playing up the East Lancs...

 

[roy vernon]

I held no animosity toward Moyes for leaving for United, I also think it was an opportunity to move forwards for the club.

Moyes wouldn’t have done what Martinez did the following season and Martinez wouldn’t have done it without Moyes’ defence, I really liked Martinez and would have stuck with him - he had big defensive problems but we were very capable going forwards - at least it was just the defence that needed fixing then - I do accept however that he probably had to go when he did but in retrospect… maybe not?

If there’s blame it’s Kenwright’s, he gave Moyes nothing to stay for, he should have secured investment far earlier than he did and I don’t believe the waffle that investors weren’t there - if moshiri had arrived sooner I think Moyes might have stayed.

Ultimately I didn’t want Moyes back but would have happily taken him over Koeman, Allardyce, Benitez and Lampard (I thought Marco would work out…)

That first season under Martinez was the last time I truly enjoyed watching us play. Some of the football that season was great to watch.

 

[rochdaleblue]

His legacy was regularly getting European football on a shoestring budget. Look at the players he signed during his tenure here
Martyn
Coleman
Dustin
Jagielka
Lescott
Baines
Stones
Pienaar
Cahill
Arteta
Yakubu
All were signed for relative peanuts and gave great years of service to the club. Bar Richarlison (only a small profit) I don’t think there’s any players we’ve signed that we’ve made a profit on during the Moshiri era. I would have loved Moyes to have the funds afforded to other managers by Moshiri in the period 2006-2010. I think he could have got us champions league football if he’d had.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

I can’t get his big grin running up the steps to take the United job while still Everton manager but I have to put my petty nature and spite away to think more reasonably.

Let’s be honest Everton have never replaced him and there’s lessons in that to use as a platform for fixing the club in the future. Moyes’ style of pragmatism works much better at generating authenticity with the fanbase. His hard working point to prove signings and his crushing of ego for the good of the team works infinitely better than Everton’s experiment at being rich and signing fancy bums.

Which begs the question, do some of those who cried for his departure and perhaps - some would say hastened it - now feel any remorse.

Evertonians begged for wealth and it left us open to a predators who have poisoned us from within.

No poll, only humility and openness here.

As ever Mr you're spot on. Those so called fans that accepted him back into Goodison after he'd signed for the United job, let alone cheered him, should be nailed to the back of the Bullens stand to help with insulation.

He was a sad excuse for a paint by numbers manager. Limited in the extreme. Worse than Silva, worse than Martinez and on a par with Gravy and Koeman.