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The Music of GOT

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Disgruntledgoat said:
Some quick questions on the stuff I posted. I'm in the midst of an almighty tangle with our bass player who is convinced the recordings sound flat and boring, whereas I think they're fine.

If some kind soul could offer me some honest feedback (even better if you've also listened to the live recordings to compare!), I'd really appreciate it.

Maybe I'm biased but to have somebody dismiss probably 30 hours of work recording everybody and mixing it with a wave of his hand is a touch irritating.
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Serious answer time.

The thing that stands out to me is the drums.
They sound very ‘boomy’ (if that’s even a word!) and seem to sit back in the mix a bit too much.

Sounds like you need to take a look at the EQ to see if they are clashing with anything (the bass in particular) and maybe look at your compression settings to get those transients to pop through a bit more.

This could be just a personal taste thing though, so take it with a pinch of salt ;)
 
aazak said:
Forgetting about being technically correct, do the whole band performances have the right energt/ punch? If so, you are either right or it can be fixed. If not...
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Like I said, I'm pretty happy with it. I'm comfortable with their being a difference between a live show and a record. We tend to feed off an audience in a way that's hard to capture (y
LostLegend said:
Serious answer time.

The thing that stands out to me is the drums.
They sound very ‘boomy’ (if that’s even a word!) and seem to sit back in the mix a bit too much.

Sounds like you need to take a look at the EQ to see if they are clashing with anything (the bass in particular) and maybe look at your compression settings to get those transients to pop through a bit more.

This could be just a personal taste thing though, so take it with a pinch of salt ;)
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Thanks!

The way we mic'd them was the Led Zep method of one snare mic, one kick mic and two overheads panned hard left and right. I am of half a mind to just use the overheads as I spent way too long messing with the kick and the snare. Or i could just knock out the reverb and see how that sounds. Always an issue when you spend so long mixing one thing, you forget about how it sounds with everything else, or you're blinded to it.
 
Disgruntledgoat said:
Don't have enough inputs for that!

Recorded the whole band live on 2 overhead mics to get the natural tempo/rhythm then had everybody play their parts to that in their headphones
4x mics on the drumkit (led zep style)
Then double tracked the bass DI and close mic
2x guitars on close mic and room mics
A couple of overdubs
Vocals.

Then a LOT of mixing
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Firstly, I'm not much of an expert on punk, but I do like those songs. I don't know who the guitarist(s) are, but the chords and tone are good. Kind of feel the vocals and, to a lesser extent, the guitars could do with heavier compression so you can bring those guitar tracks up a little. Should defo at least triple-track the vocals on the parts that you want emphasised too. That's my two pence really, but overall they're pretty good imo

Also, if you have the resource, get someone else to mix it. After recording my songs in a bedroom, I was way too close to them and hadn't a clue what sounded right, so I would go up to a great Engineer in Antrim to record the vocals and some guitar and mix the whole thing. He was brilliant.
 
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Disgruntledgoat said:
Like I said, I'm pretty happy with it. I'm comfortable with their being a difference between a live show and a record. We tend to feed off an audience in a way that's hard to capture (y



Thanks!

The way we mic'd them was the Led Zep method of one snare mic, one kick mic and two overheads panned hard left and right. I am of half a mind to just use the overheads as I spent way too long messing with the kick and the snare. Or i could just knock out the reverb and see how that sounds. Always an issue when you spend so long mixing one thing, you forget about how it sounds with everything else, or you're blinded to it.
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Reverb can cause all sorts of problems on drums if not used carefully.

Try routing all the drum channels into a single channel and buss them through a single compressor (if not already) nothing too crazy on the ratio, slow attack and a fast release then adjust the threshold to taste to get that punch back.

Not sure of your skill level with mixing, so apologies if this sounds a bit obvious :D
 
Disgruntledgoat said:
Like I said, I'm pretty happy with it. I'm comfortable with their being a difference between a live show and a record. We tend to feed off an audience in a way that's hard to capture (y



Thanks!

The way we mic'd them was the Led Zep method of one snare mic, one kick mic and two overheads panned hard left and right. I am of half a mind to just use the overheads as I spent way too long messing with the kick and the snare. Or i could just knock out the reverb and see how that sounds. Always an issue when you spend so long mixing one thing, you forget about how it sounds with everything else, or you're blinded to it.
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You'll be OK then (maybe you are already). Do you have any reference tracks you can point us towards? Is there anything (or even aspects of a few things) that you think it should sound like?
 

LostLegend said:
Reverb can cause all sorts of problems on drums if not used carefully.

Try routing all the drum channels into a single channel and buss them through a single compressor (if not already) nothing too crazy on the ratio, slow attack and a fast release then adjust the threshold to taste to get that punch back.

Not sure of your skill level with mixing, so apologies if this sounds a bit obvious :D
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Negligable, mate.

I have a friend who's a pro so I leaned on him for some tips, there's also a 4 hour video of Albini mixing something on youtube and explaining everything as he goes that i learned a hell of a lot from.

Those are actually my first go at mixing anything. I'm just a sucker for DIY!
 
Prevenger17 said:
Firstly, I'm not much of an expert on punk, but I do like those songs. I don't know who the guitarist(s) are, but the chords and tone are good. Kind of feel the vocals and, to a lesser extent, the guitars could do with heavier compression so you can bring those guitar tracks up a little. Should defo at least triple-track the vocals on the parts that you want emphasised too. That's my two pence really, but overall they're pretty good imo

Also, if you have the resource, get someone else to mix it. After recording my songs in a bedroom, I was way too close to them and hadn't a clue what sounded right, so I would go up to a great Engineer in Antrim to record the vocals and some guitar and mix the whole thing. He was brilliant.
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Thanks,

It's good to know the foundations are solid, at least.

Guitarists are me and my friend Sven. I'm a bog standard 3 finger player (but I write all the songs so I can play what I want!). He's a classically trained flamenco player in his first rock n roll band (aged 43!). We bounce off each other pretty well.
 


I've made myself a functioning Roland TB-303 emulator in Ableton Live for some acid techno vibes :D

It's all stock plug-ins. The base of it is the 'Operator' FM synth routed through various effects and contained within an instrument rack, which allows me to use the macro controls to tweak various bits as I go, such as changing from a square to saw wave, filter frequency, glide and filter drive like you could on the original unit along with additional controls for effects like chorus and distortion.

Still needs a bit of tweaking, mind!

I love this thread, I can really bore you all to death with my inner audio geek and nobody can stop me :blush::p
 

Disgruntledgoat said:
Some quick questions on the stuff I posted. I'm in the midst of an almighty tangle with our bass player who is convinced the recordings sound flat and boring, whereas I think they're fine.

If some kind soul could offer me some honest feedback (even better if you've also listened to the live recordings to compare!), I'd really appreciate it.

Maybe I'm biased but to have somebody dismiss probably 30 hours of work recording everybody and mixing it with a wave of his hand is a touch irritating.
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I know I've mentioned the 3rd track posted already... But I'm gonna mention it again anyway. Personally, for me and my ageing ears I think that mix is nailed and captures everything perfectly. I like the mix, I like the levels, I like it being so accessible, it's instant, it's raw, live, its punk.

I'm not dismissing the other 2 tracks either DG, just the 3rd track feels more rounded and balanced compared to the other 2 tracks, yet hasn't lost its energy and rawness in the mix.
 


I've got a fair few days off, so I'm working a few projects at once. This one has taken on a life of it's own and I seem to have lost 7 hours into the vortex working on it today :lol:

It started life as an over-the-top/electronic/orchestral/film-score-esque...thing... then somehow It's become a drum n bass track.
Even has a pretentious 'Terrence McKenna' sample at the very beginning. Hopefully I will actually finish this, unlike 90% of the half finished projects I have on my drive :dodgy:
 
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