The next manager appointment (new thread)

[twoblue]

People are mentioning we should get managers already established in the epl like the manager from bournemouth, instead of doing what bournemouth did initailly, creative selecting someone from outside the epl

It is so much riskier. It is less risky if you are established on the midtable side. But the predicament we are in is a knife edge. It could easily get worse changing for an unknown up and coming manager. We cant afford anyone that doesn't jit the ground running, or experience of managing players are huge wage bills. Maybe the end of the season offers more chance of this kind of appointment

 

[mccole]

Why would he come here?

They are 8th, we are 15th soon to be 18th.

£4-5m a year over £1m is a BIG incentive

 

[nsno-chris]

People are mentioning we should get managers already established in the epl like the manager from bournemouth, instead of doing what bournemouth did initailly, creative selecting someone from outside the epl

Because some evertonians live in a state of constant fear and believe this club is lucky to be in the Premier league. The Bill Kenwright syndrome has eaten this club to its core.

 

[Curtis]

That’s an understandable perspective though, isn’t it?

It’s harder to find someone capable of turning round a failing PL side who hasn’t yet done so than someone who already has.

Definitely Objectively on paper it seems sensible but going from our own recent managerial debacles from enlisting managers in the epl it's not guaranteed success either. I think for my gripe ie that we want to reinvent ourselves with a new innovative manager which requires being bold anyway but we're too much trepidation to embark on the search ourselves in other leagues, letting other teams do it themselves same with player recruitment which puts us in a disadvantage when we try to compete with other teams

 

[Toffe3m4n]

My top pick for a 'currently out of work' option is Conceicao. I hope he's been sounded out at the very least.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Temporary league positions less than half the way through a season mean nothing. It’s like claiming Silva ‘had Watford in 5th’ just because they occupied 5th position for a short while one weekend before Christmas. He then went on a dreadful and got sacked by Watford, if I remember correctly? So Silva never ‘had Watford in 5th’ at all really.

You have to play 38 games before you start claiming a league position imo, and even then I don’t think it matters all that much. The managers contractual obligations are just one thing that are of greater importance, amongst other things.

True dat. I remember Palace winning at Stoke in December one year to go 4th. On the way home in the car Radio 5 sport were having a discussion about whether Pardew was a shoe in to be the next England manager

 

[Lanolin]

People are mentioning we should get managers already established in the epl like the manager from bournemouth, instead of doing what bournemouth did initailly, creative selecting someone from outside the epl

I don't think it's so much people particularly wanting someone from the PL, it's just people are more familiar with the names and the jobs they're doing so in a discussion like this they're always going to come up more. Not many people watch enough football from other leagues to have a proper grasp on how well a particular manager is doing in the way they do by looking at other PL clubs.

 

[twoblue]

Because some evertonians live in a state of constant fear and believe this club is lucky to be in the Premier league. The Bill Kenwright syndrome has eaten this club to its core.

Think people recognise sporting potential is harder than spotting established managers.
It’s a roll of the dice with potential and that comes down to you risk / reward. Again we have some money left on the table with dyche, who probably keeps us up this season. It whether you would risk that now for potentially moving us up a couple of positions or down a couple.

Definitely Objectively on paper it seems sensible but going from our own recent managerial debacles from enlisting managers in the epl it's not guaranteed success either. I think for my gripe ie that we want to reinvent ourselves with a new innovative manager which requires being bold anyway but we're too much trepidation to embark on the search ourselves in other leagues, letting other teams do it themselves same with player recruitment which puts us in a disadvantage when we try to compete with other teams

The thing is, when we make an appointment and then it doesn’t go well, we all get cold feet, like with Silva. Not many of us wanted to risk the rest of that season with him. He really was the young up-and-coming manager many are touting now. I'm not sure I would want Silva coming in now, despite the respectable job he has done at Fulham. That feels like a far better fit.

My top pick for a 'currently out of work' option is Conceicao. I hope he's been sounded out at the very least.

Sounds sexy, but he has done anything that suggests he will do anything other than par-for-the-course in any of his previous jobs. Winning the league with porto is admirable but its not anything unexpected. It might prove an astute appointment but it is a throw of the dice whether it improves

 

[Billy Dean]

Think people recognise sporting potential is harder than spotting established managers.
It’s a roll of the dice with potential and that comes down to you risk / reward. Again we have some money left on the table with dyche, who probably keeps us up this season. It whether you would risk that now for potentially moving us up a couple of positions or down a couple.


The thing is, when we make an appointment and then it doesn’t go well, we all get cold feet, like with Silva. Not many of us wanted to risk the rest of that season with him. He really was the young up-and-coming manager many are touting now. I'm not sure I would want Silva coming in now, despite the respectable job he has done at Fulham. That feels like a far better fit.

Sounds sexy, but he has done anything that suggests he will do anything other than par-for-the-course in any of his previous jobs. Winning the league with porto is admirable but its not anything unexpected. It might prove an astute appointment but it is a throw of the dice whether it improves

I just wish the club would make a proper analytical decision on the next managerial hire and not just base it on the whim of some clown in the boardroom. It was always going to be hard for any manager to be successful here with BK and FM involved. Silva might have done well here if we had a coherent plan from the boardroom down

 

[Lanolin]

I just wish the club would make a proper analytical decision on the next managerial hire and not just base it on the whim of some clown in the boardroom. It was always going to be hard for any manager to be successful here with BK and FM involved. Silva might have done well here if we had a coherent plan from the boardroom down

To some extent it will always come down to a whim. You can have as much data etc as you want but football is still to a large extent a subjective game, and things don't always work out the way you think they will. Obviously we need to hope that the new people's whims are better than the old ones, but it will still be just someone making a decision based on their opinion at the end of the day.

 

[Billy Dean]

To some extent it will always come down to a whim. You can have as much data etc as you want but football is still to a large extent a subjective game, and things don't always work out the way you think they will. Obviously we need to hope that the new people's whims are better than the old ones, but it will still be just someone making a decision based on their opinion at the end of the day.

Yeah of course but there are different types of opinions. There are those based on information and those of the type we saw made by BK and FM

 

[PeterGet]

Would anyone take David Moyes for 12 months at Xmas? He would be a good person to take us into the new Stadium and a useful holding person for us to unify the team under the new Ownership. If he works out, we could always extend

 

[blulouie]

Would anyone take David Moyes for 12 months at Xmas? He would be a good person to take us into the new Stadium and a useful holding person for us to unify the team under the new Ownership. If he works out, we could always extend

NO.

 

[Ruairi77]

Sounds sexy, but he has done anything that suggests he will do anything other than par-for-the-course in any of his previous jobs. Winning the league with porto is admirable but its not anything unexpected. It might prove an astute appointment but it is a throw of the dice whether it improves

he took over from Nuno (who's doing ok in the PL). Porto hadn't won the league in 5 years. He went on to win 3 of the next 4. I think he won something like 4 cups 5 years. Back to back doubles. Portuguese teams in the last 16 of the CL twice.
No idea how someone could want Moyes, Howe, or Potter over this.

 

[twoblue]

he took over from Nuno (who's doing ok in the PL). Porto hadn't won the league in 5 years. He went on to win 3 of the next 4. I think he won something like 4 cups 5 years. Back to back doubles. Portuguese teams in the last 16 of the CL twice.
No idea how someone could want Moyes, Howe, or Potter over this.

Wouldn’t be against a gamble like this in may tbh… not sure about now.
To win the Portuguese league you have to win / get points off sporting and benefica.
It’s a 4 game season.