The next manager appointment (new thread)

[Blue peter]

I appreciate Moyes for some much needed relief from the fear of relegation, and some comparative high points along the way.
Had some absolute corkers on the UEFA aways, Nuremberg, Villa Real etc, as well as some trips to Wembley. Some really great days out and up and around the ‘best of the rest’ for a spell.
Unfortunately thats as good as it ever got, amongst the best of the rest.
As much as I enjoyed some of it, it was never enough, and by the last year of his tenure it was enough of an excuse to pack in my season ticket.
I look back on his time as the major reason our expectations have been lowered to the point where people are desperate for his return….. for more of The Magnificent 7th.
His narrative that plucky Everton can only hope for so much makes my blood boil. He’s robbed us of the expectation of being better than average.
He’s helped brainwash a generation of Evertonians into thinking what he served up was acceptable, aspirational even.
Sure it’s generally been worse since him, but that doesn’t elevate his time for me, it just shows what a downward spiral he set us up for.
All that before is his despicable behaviour when he left, saw out his contract having bent over for Whiskey breath and then tried to take out best players for peanuts accusing the club of holding them back.
Thanks but no thanks for me.

You do realise that ‘The Magnificant 7th’ wasn’t produced and directed by David Moyes? That was the club and the mentality of the club under an owner who provided no financial resource. By rights he shouldn’t have even been in those top 6-8 positions for as long as he was and he certainly didn’t have the means to push on. Yes Moyes was a dour, cautious manager, but the main cause of us not pushing on was Bill Kenwright and his cronies.

 

[Bedfordblue]

You do realise that ‘The Magnificant 7th’ wasn’t produced and directed by David Moyes? That was the club and the mentality of the club under an owner who provided no financial resource. By rights he shouldn’t have even been in those top 6-8 positions for as long as he was and he certainly didn’t have the means to push on. Yes Moyes was a dour, cautious manager, but the main cause of us not pushing on was Bill Kenwright and his cronies.

MOYES WAS ONE OF HIS CRONIES.
His biggest cheerleader in fact.

Nurse we’ve found another one……

 

[Quadvod]

You do realise that ‘The Magnificant 7th’ wasn’t produced and directed by David Moyes? That was the club and the mentality of the club under an owner who provided no financial resource. By rights he shouldn’t have even been in those top 6-8 positions for as long as he was and he certainly didn’t have the means to push on. Yes Moyes was a dour, cautious manager, but the main cause of us not pushing on was Bill Kenwright and his cronies.

Would have been interesting to see moyes with his 2007-09 side allied to moshiri’s money in the early days - that would have been the true test as to whether he could have broken the then sky 4 cartel. Always felt that side was a genuine world class centre forward away from truly competing

 

[Blue peter]

MOYES WAS ONE OF HIS CRONIES.
His biggest cheerleader in fact.

Nurse we’ve found another one……

Ha no not really. Moyes was an employee of the company given tools to work with e.g. financial. He has some finances from time to time to buy players but not as much as a club of our size. I’m not saying he wasn’t cautious (or defensive at time) but he could only perform in a way the club allowed him to. Moyes has shown subsequently he probably wouldn’t have got us to where we wanted to be even with additional financial resources but the main issue with the lack of progress was a lack of finance

 

[ForeverEverton]

Changed my vote to Mister X....

It was leaked that Ralf Rangnick was set to take up a DoF role with Everton under Friedkin the 1st time, I`d love to pair him with fellow countryman Thomas Tuchel, that combo would make sense whilst also being a massive upgrade on what we currently have.

 

[efcste97]

A large segment of Evertonians seem hesitant when it comes to managers who favour possession-based football. Many would prefer a return to someone like Moyes rather than a progressive coach. Back in 2019, fans were even turning down the idea of Unai Emery in favour of Big Dunc. This isn’t a new phenomenon—it reflects a long-standing preference for more pragmatic, hard-nosed football over a more modern, tactical approach. I find it tiresome

 

[Bedfordblue]

Ha no not really. Moyes was an employee of the company given tools to work with e.g. financial. He has some finances from time to time to buy players but not as much as a club of our size. I’m not saying he wasn’t cautious (or defensive at time) but he could only perform in a way the club allowed him to. Moyes has shown subsequently he probably wouldn’t have got us to where we wanted to be even with additional financial resources but the main issue with the lack of progress was a lack of finance

Been the bane of his career that, just look what happened to him at eternal paupers Man Utd.

 

[Blue peter]

Been the bane of his career that, just look what happened to him at eternal paupers Man Utd.

For 10 months and 1 transfer window. I acknowledge he made mistakes there the prime one being he did not retain the coaching staff at Utd

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

A large segment of Evertonians seem hesitant when it comes to managers who favour possession-based football. Many would prefer a return to someone like Moyes rather than a progressive coach. Back in 2019, fans were even turning down the idea of Unai Emery in favour of Big Dunc. This isn’t a new phenomenon—it reflects a long-standing preference for more pragmatic, hard-nosed football over a more modern, tactical approach. I find it tiresome

It is entirely fear based .
It owes nothing to the Everton that existed before Kenwright .
The Everton that existed pre -Kenwright expected to challenge for league titles.
The Everton that exists post Kenwright lives in perpetual fear of relegation .
At the level of the likes of Soton or Coventry, just with a superior history .
That is how deeply Kenwright damaged the club , he changed the DNA to become something far less then it once was.

 

[toffeeblue9]

In an ideal world, Dyche picks up some results and gets us clear of any problems for the season.

Whatever happens, however, he can't be offered a new contract.

I don't want him here, but ideally I'd rather make that change in the summer when we have time to plan properly and assess who the best candidate would be.

If we make a change now, it's going to be an emergency appointment and while that would be necessary if things don't improve quickly, with new owners coming in it would be nice to make a progressive appointment in the summer that we aren't rushed into making

 

[DualityNSNO]

Rice was poor in that final. Amrabat was far superior. The real key to that match was how they were set up as a tight unit. Big Zouma was good, until he got injured.

Moyes made a big call to play Emerson, who was not a regular, and it paid off in spades.

If his ceiling was seventh how come he finished fourth here and sixth at West Ham?

Rice was not poor at all - they held a line very well, which was their plan, and his passing was spot on - he provided the assist for Bowen IIRC, who played probably his best game for WHam.

Key word is consistent, as I know about that one time he finished 4th that everyone loves keep bringing up, which isn't consistency, check where we were the season after. We were consistently in the run for 7th, no more no less, and he's not a manager that will kick on. Occasionally pushed it to 6th (as I said), but the goal was 7th. Even got 7th with Man Utd to further solidify his "best of the rest" syndrome. WHam finished 14th in the season with the cup and were running along with us for points until the last few games - barely got to 40 points, luckily there were very crap teams in the league they could take points off of. Also lucky for us as we were similarly crap ourselves like.

Same narrative as "Dyche got Burnley into Europe once", ignoring the fact they bombed out instantly and finished 15th, not building on anything.

You mean like when he went to west ham and got money and won them a European cup?

As above, it's not consistent - we also reached the 2009 FA cup final and the expected outcome happened. Any other day and Fiorentina win that final too. His net spend is also not great for someone who is apparently very tight with money.

If you like limited, negative, 'knife to a gunfight' football in the current year - good for you, happy you can enjoy it, might as well keep Dyche and keep alienating any fan that wants their team to play to win. Football's moved on from this decades ago. I prefer to have a combative team too but set up to at least try to win occasionally, guess it's the entitlement talking.

Also, honestly, entitled to what? I've not seen us do well consistently in my entire life and Moyes was our manager for a majority of that, of course I don't want him back. He also instantly belittled in a few ways us as soon as he left which conveniently people are turning a blind eye to for some reason.

Basically this, but without the privilege sadly:

‘Entitled deluded fans ‘
Don’t be ridiculous. What an arrogant statement.
Ultimately it’s just about preference,
I have been privileged to see three successful managers at Everton and Moyes was not one of them.
His football is limited, and that is a view that was ultimately shared by West Ham fans despite the trophy .
I respect him for those first 5 years, but he should have gone after that if we as a club had any ambition.
I go to the match hoping to see my team play exciting, aspirational football , not defensive limited football aimed to guarantee a draw .
Football is supposed to be an entertainment after all not a chore .
Amongst the group of supporters I had been going to the match with since the 70,s (all S/Ts and we went to most away games ) 5 drifted away from the game because of the style of football they were watching every match .
In the end it’s just personal preferences really.
You can watch and enjoy that style of football every week , but I can’t.

To go with the fact that emotional rehiring very, extremely rarely leads to anything good, and we're should know better from the situation(s) with Kendall.

 

[OnlyTheBestIsGoodEnough]

It is entirely fear based .
It owes nothing to the Everton that existed before Kenwright .
The Everton that existed pre -Kenwright expected to challenge for league titles.
The Everton that exists post Kenwright lives in perpetual fear of relegation .
At the level of the likes of Soton or Coventry, just with a superior history .
That is how deeply Kenwright damaged the club , he changed the DNA to become something far less then it once was.

NSNO used to be what we strived for but like you say that isn't the case now, I hear Neville Southall say Everton have no ambition anymore and he is so right we need to get back to this, and sweep all the 'knife to a gunfight' nonsense as far away from the club, we need a brighter future and a lot more ambition from this club

 

[DualityNSNO]

NSNO used to be what we strived for but like you say that isn't the case now, I hear Neville Southall say Everton have no ambition anymore and he is so right we need to get back to this, and sweep all the 'knife to a gunfight' nonsense as far away from the club, we need a brighter future and a lot more ambition from this club

Neither Moyes nor Dyche will provide any semblance of ambition. Giving them resources is essentially burning money.

 

[OnlyTheBestIsGoodEnough]

Neither Moyes nor Dyche will provide any semblance of ambition. Giving them resources is essentially burning money.

Absolutely couldn't agree more

 

[Bluewolf]

So are we giving him a pass for not managing his players properly as well, now?

Honestly, lads. It seems like there is always an excuse for Davey.

Or its always his fault from some people.

that team was good enough to beat city a week later. The players let themselves down that day