The next manager appointment (new thread)

[JobForTheMoyes]

Moyes did a good job - in the era he was employed, which was the most notorious era of our modern history: the Kenwright decline.

Like our current manager, he would never have been appointed had we had genuine resource and ambition. He was appointed because we were in dire straits, and he improved us massively. He was the ideal manager for a chairman who had no real money, no real ambition, and was determined to remain in control. Moyes ensured Kenwright's survival, but could never win even a League Cup for us despite having 11 years in which to compete.

I was very grateful for what he did, but the idea that he could even be mentioned as a possible contender for the Everton job when the Friedkins come in is hilarious. He was the ideal manager for a broken, unamitious club run by a venal, self-serving, useless owner. He shouldn't get in the door for a chat with a genuinely ambitious club.

Even a league cup? Check out the honour roll - it’s a closed shop.

 

[Blue peter]

All the debating about Moyes is a moot point in my opinion anyway, I doubt the Friedkin Group even know of him to consider him.

 

[SJB]

Even a league cup? Check out the honour roll - it’s a closed shop.

 

[Drico]

Even a league cup? Check out the honour roll - it’s a closed shop.

Such a closed shop that Swansea City, Birmingham City, Blackburn Rovers, and those serial winners Middlesbrough all won it during Moyes's tenure.

 

[Delargeinho]

Moyes did a good job - in the era he was employed, which was the most notorious era of our modern history: the Kenwright decline.

Like our current manager, he would never have been appointed had we had genuine resource and ambition. He was appointed because we were in dire straits, and he improved us massively. He was the ideal manager for a chairman who had no real money, no real ambition, and was determined to remain in control. Moyes ensured Kenwright's survival, but could never win even a League Cup for us despite having 11 years in which to compete.

I was very grateful for what he did, but the idea that he could even be mentioned as a possible contender for the Everton job when the Friedkins come in is hilarious. He was the ideal manager for a broken, unamitious club run by a venal, self-serving, useless owner. He shouldn't get in the door for a chat with a genuinely ambitious club.

Jep, probably. But what happened that Everton went from a good team at the end of the 80s to a bottom half team in the 90s? I need to finally inform myself about that...

Key figures like Kendall (first time), Gary Lineker, Gary Stevens and Trevor Steven left and couldn't be replaced. Heysel a bit, but that was for every English club. What else?

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Jep, probably. But what happened that Everton went from a good team at the end of the 80s to a bottom half team in the 90s? I need to finally inform myself about that...

Key figures like Kendall (first time), Gary Lineker, Gary Stevens and Trevor Steven left and couldn't be replaced. Heysel a bit, but that was for every English club. What else?

By the time David Moyes was brought in as a replacement for Walter Smith in 2002, with Everton staring relegation in the face yet again, the club had re-mortgaged virtually everything they had just to stay afloat. Any player worth their salt was quickly sold and rumours of imminent administration swirled around the internet on supporter message boards.

Wayne Rooney’s move to Manchester United illustrated that fact more than any other. The teenage sensation and boyhood blue burst into Everton’s team aged just 16 and became England’s next big hope quickly after. Having shone at Euro 2004 in Portugal, Sir Alex Ferguson moved quickly to secure his signature for £27 million, a significant portion of which had been demanded by Everton’s bank to stave off the immediate threat of defaulting on its financial obligations.

With incumbent chairman Bill Kenwright either unwilling or unable to muster up worthwhile transfer resources, the future at Goodison appeared bleaker than ever. By the beginning of the 2004-05 season Everton were slated as favourites for relegation by bookmakers and pundits alike, having seen little or no investment in the team in the wake of Rooney’s departure.

Incredibly, in one the most stunning pieces of management in the 25-year history of the Premier League, Moyes piloted his rag-tag group of misfits to fourth place in the league and qualification for the following season’s Champions League, albeit having to face a playoff to reach the group stages.

From England's finest to dethroned royalty: the rise and fall of Everton since 1985

It was possibly the most significant goal ever seen at Carrow Road, the home of Norwich City. Yet it did not mean a thing to the home team, who by then

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[JobForTheMoyes]

 

[bluestevon]

It was the semi final against 'them' that summed up his mindset for me. 1 up at half time and there for the taking, and we just sat back.

Was that when the put out an absolute piss poor team with half their first team rested?

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Was that when the put out an absolute piss poor team with half their first team rested?

Liverpool​

1 B Jones​

2 G Johnson​

23 J Carragher​

37 M Skrtel​

5 D Agger​

14 J Henderson​

8 S Gerrard (c)​

20 J Spearing​

19 S Downing​

7 L Suárez​

9 A Carroll​

Everton​

24 T Howard​

18 P Neville (c)​

5 J Heitinga​

15 S Distin​

3 L Baines​

21 L Osman​

4 D Gibson​

25 M Fellaini​

19 M Gueye​

17 T Cahill​

7 N Jelavic​

 

[barneygumble]

I wanted Corberan when he was at Huddersfield, I still want Corberan.

My problem with Corberan is, is this too big of a project right now?

For me; getting WBA in the playoffs last season under the circumstances he had was nothing short of a miracle. Now they're top.

The Prem is a big step up; I don't think our squad is built for him yet; not sure how frugal we'll have to be given FFP, but he's who I'd want, gives me a more mature Silva vibes.

 

[barneygumble]

It was the semi final against 'them' that summed up his mindset for me. 1 up at half time and there for the taking, and we just sat back.

In regards to this; by "done" moment was at 89 minutes and at 1-1, having already bottled it... he had Hibbert stripped off and ready to come on.

Fella did wonders for us, got comfortable and took his wage knowing he had a free pass whilst he waited for the United job; his mentality against bigger clubs was abysmal.

 

[bluestevon]

I always try to give credit where it is due. Moyes built a good side, made some fabulous ‘out of the blue’ signings and despite his fear of the so called big clubs, his best team (baines, pienaar, cahill, arteta) played some wonderful football. It didn't even upset me when he tried to nick Baines from us. I think he is a good man and a good manager. I simply don't believe (aside from a very few, very rare exceptions) that bringing old players or managers back ever works out. We must look forward now, none of this sentimentality. i dont want Sarri or Potter or anyone else like that. i would be delighted if we got someone new, up and coming, someone who can be flexible and adaptable in his playing style. I want a manager who can have them trying to outplay footballing teams, out-press high pressing teams or out-kick the cloggers. From my admittedly limited knowledge of the managers named in the poll, Corberan seems the best bet. He would be a risk, but they all are. Better we go for someone fresh and roll the dice, than go for an old comfort blanket?

Best bet for what you describe is the almost too good a named guy to be true.

Step forward Mr. Will Still

 

[bluestevon]

Any manager at Everton for 11 years who wins nothing is a footnote in our history, unworthy of the adoration his mediocrity still appears to inspire.

In a nutshell yes

I remember Kendall, Royle, only catterick through my uncle.

Moyes and every other manager we've had are complete no marks in the clubs history.

We've had three great managers (2 sadly for far too short a time).
The club should be looking to find that next one not happily settling back for one who showed he could be er be in the same category of those three.

 

[brieverton]

If there was a template for what TFG might be looking for in a manager then I think it might be Sebastian Hoeness.

I don't think he'd leave Stuttgart for Everton though.

 

[Fralahna]

Any manager at Everton for 11 years who wins nothing is a footnote in our history, unworthy of the adoration his mediocrity still appears to inspire.

Rafael, however, won us the Florida cup, therefore deserves most of our adoration of the managers weve had since the 90s. Right?

What moyes did with poor team with no budget was inspirational. Especially during a time when billionaire owners started buying clubs, monopolising English football. To expect everton to win anything when we could barely buy player, let alone buy a league, is ridiculous. Moyes did the next best thing and steadied the ship, and got us challenging for European spots.

I'm not saying I think he's the right man go take over but saying he's a footnote in our history is incredibly disrespectful.