The next manager appointment (new thread)

[Bedfordblue]

Yes we were:

Bill Kenwright has laid bare the scale of the financial problems at Everton with a frank admission that their bankers have forced the club to reduce the overdraft and blocked additions to David Moyes's squad.In a remarkable exchange with representatives of The Blue Union, a coalition of supporters' groups alarmed at the lack of investment in Everton, the club chairman admitted that proceeds from recent player sales and Bellefield, the former training ground sold for £9m, had been taken by Barclays to reduce debts of £45m.

Everton finances stretched to the limit, admits chairman Bill Kenwright

Everton's chairman Bill Kenwright has blamed the club's bank for the lack of transfer activity this summer

www.theguardian.com

Well if Bill said so it must be true.

What a dream team him and Moyes were.

 

[gazzaa2]

It was the semi final against 'them' that summed up his mindset for me. 1 up at half time and there for the taking, and we just sat back.

That was the end for him here. That was a really poor Liverpool team that we finished above in the league and he bottled it badly from 1-0 up.

 

[wainy]

Are you serious, Everton under Moyes did not play exciting football. Our entire model of CF was one who could chase down long balls into the channels.

Love the revisionism though that Moyes wasn't a very defensive, cautious manager.

He wasn't though was he? You don't achieve the positions in the league we did, on a shoestring, by playing long ball hit and hope. Baines, Pienaar on the left, Coleman and arteta on the right... Tim Cahill behind Andy Johnson and Yakubu. Hardly defensive.

If you want to see ultra defensive crap, asking a CF completely unsuited to running channels and a myriad of other stuff, turn up at goodison tomorrow.

Edit: he was crap in games away at the big 6. Nothing has changed.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Just a note, we saw exactly what a Moyes team was capable of under a more attacking manager in Martinez first season, genuinely exciting to watch.

Moyes had by and large all the tools needed to play a far more exciting type of footy, he chose not to do so because inherently it's against his nature.

Showed the same at United, got sacked twice by west ham because he reverted to type.

Martinez lucked out because he inherited Moyes structure and unbelievably managed to get Lukaku and Barry for nothing. Moyes would have got us 4th that year no problem. Do you remember how bad we were before Moyes?

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

He wasn't though was he? You don't achieve the positions in the league we did, on a shoestring, by playing long ball hit and hope. Baines, Pienaar on the left, Coleman and arteta on the right... Tim Cahill behind Andy Johnson and Yakubu. Hardly defensive.

If you want to see ultra defensive crap, asking a CF completely unsuited to running channels and a myriad of other stuff, turn up at goodison tomorrow.

Edit: he was crap in games away at the big 6. Nothing has changed.

There was no big 6 though. There was the big 4 and we were 5th. We beat City, Spurs and Newcastle away under Moyes. There was a big gulf in terms of quality and resources between 4th and 5th and we could never bridge the gap.

 

[Goodisongang]

Martinez lucked out because he inherited Moyes structure and unbelievably managed to get Lukaku and Barry for nothing. Moyes would have got us 4th that year no problem. Do you remember how bad we were before Moyes?

Bit harsh that tbh

Defence aside that was a martinez team and the football was quality.

Wasn't just Barry and lukaku, maccarthy was great, barkley went from the odd minutes under moyes to one of the best youngsters in the league

 

[wainy]

There was no big 6 though. There was the big 4 and we were 5th. We beat City, Spurs and Newcastle away under Moyes. There was a big gulf in terms of quality and resources between 4th and 5th and we could never bridge the gap.

Apologies, I'm bollocks deep in vodka but you got the gist of my post

Newcastle and spurs back then were barely top 10 clubs, less than that in Newcastles case, City had only just been bought out. To suggest we couldn't play football under Moyes is nonsense.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Bit harsh that tbh

Defence aside that was a martinez team and the football was quality.

Wasn't just Barry and lukaku, maccarthy was great, barkley went from the odd minutes under moyes to one of the best youngsters in the league

We scored 6 more goals than the year before. Martinez achieved slightly more than the year before with a significantly better squad. Give Lukaku to Moyes and we finish 4th year in year out.

 

[SJB]

Give Lukaku to Moyes and he'd make him run the channels, he'd tell him Goodison loves a player who runs all day long even if they don't score goals.

 

[evertondotcom]

I've got a lot of time for Frank but there is a whole team behind him at Brentford, data people suggesting when subs should be made and that

He’s far too nice to be Everton manager.

 

[Goodisongang]

We scored 6 more goals than the year before. Martinez achieved slightly more than the year before with a significantly better squad. Give Lukaku to Moyes and we finish 4th year in year out.

We also got 9 more points, beat United away for the first time in my life time, absolutely battered arsenal at home.

 

[Davideeyore]

I'm watching the Moyes interview on the Echo You Tube. One of the things he spoke well on was about Everton switching off after survival around April. I wonder what he'd say about certain managers writing off the first month or two of the season?

 

[aglee]

Give Lukaku to Moyes and he'd make him run the channels, he'd tell him Goodison loves a player who runs all day long even if they don't score goals.

Not so sure. I think Moyes generally tried to play to the strengths of the players at his disposal. Whilst people say he was defensive minded I think he just built from the foundation of being a functioning unit, strong defensively and working as a team to get the best out of what we had. We had players who weren’t world beaters but excelled in his set up. He may have had some flaws but I don’t get some of the criticism. Saying we never beat top sides, well they had a wealth of world class talent and we didn’t. We successfully achieved better than most clubs with better resources. We had a well organised and motivated team playing with passion, and a few gems.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Give Lukaku to Moyes and he'd make him run the channels, he'd tell him Goodison loves a player who runs all day long even if they don't score goals.

Yet he didn't do that with Yakubu who scored goals for fun under him.

 

[Drico]

The Moyes-did-a-great-job-and-was-stympied-only-by-resources argument falls down when you realise he couldn't beat Wigan or Reading in cup ties when the opportunity to win a trophy finally emerged. A Man City side he routinely beat was all that stood between him and glory in some of those years, and he blew it against clubs with far fewer resources than us.

In the end, he just wasn't able to drag us across the line.