The summer 2013 Everton transfer rumourZ thread

[AaronTheBlue]

Haha. A snippet I took from one of his (probably paraphrased) Martinez is the best manager in the world interviews.

Martinez allegedly detailed to Bill in his interview how he knew that Wigan would beat us in the FA Cup when he saw Heitinga was playing. Then detailed the tactical basis of this claim and outlined how he instructed his side to line up to best exploit it.

Based on this, I'm assuming Martinez doesn't rate Johnny.

I've read/watched every interview from kenwright / martinez since he was appointed and cant remember this being mentioned, unless i missed it.

 

[pfim]

Can't wait until Roberto comes back for his punditry this place can go mental again with 1000 names being shouted.

Hopefully he can bring back some sexy South Americans on his way home and of course make a stop off in Belgium to pillage their best and brightest.

Again, pretty sure Martinez is in Connecticut. Less talent there.

 

[Joao Moutinho]

http://sport.be.msn.com/fr/jupilerproleague/nieuws/article.html?Article_ID=648187

Interesting

Anderlecht has already spent in the past 3.5 million for Jan Polak and Boussoufa , but the champion of Belgium could sign a new record this summer. To find a successor to Lucas Biglia at Astrid Park, the direction of Anderlecht's willingness to some sacrifices. The FC Barcelona claimed 5 million for Jonathan Dos Santos , a sum that Brussels intend to reduce through a small million. Fighting looks tight, since Jona is also in the sight 'of Everton, Liverpool and Seville . "The next season is very important," the Mexican, who dreams of a Brazilian participation in the World. "I want absolulment more playing time and I will analyze where the best deal." In this context, participation in the Champions League argues clearly in favor of Anderlecht.

 

[pfim]

Did he??? Those 46 appearances he had the year before aged 17 don't count then?

And wilshere was introduced aged 16 although admittedly he didn't make a huge impact on the first team before he was 18. Although I don't see how that means Barkley can't be considered a reserve CM aged 19 when that is his position. Did you watch the Spurs/Arsenal games? Against spurs he was poor out wide, against Arsenal he was impressive when he was central. For me it's that simple.

If Barkley becomes a regular in the squad this season, then he's on a similar track as Wilshere. I don't see what comparing him to Fabregas accomplishes, because he's not nearly as good as Fabregas was at the same age.

And I don't think we should be basing someone's ability at a position by looking at one match.

 

[pfim]

http://sport.be.msn.com/fr/jupilerproleague/nieuws/article.html?Article_ID=648187

Interesting

Anderlecht, Everton, Liverpool and Sevilla? One of these is not like the others. Sounds like an agent just throwing names out.

 

[Joao Moutinho]

Anderlecht, Everton, Liverpool and Sevilla? One of these is not like the others. Sounds like an agent just throwing names out.

Well, Anderlecht have champions league, and the possibility of multiple medals

 

[Royal Blue Jersey]

I was reluctant to ask, tbh. I hope it doesn't involve pool parties and loofers.:blink:

They were all at Barrymore's and fancied a dip?

 

[tim cahill]

If Barkley becomes a regular in the squad this season, then he's on a similar track as Wilshere. I don't see what comparing him to Fabregas accomplishes, because he's not nearly as good as Fabregas was at the same age.

And I don't think we should be basing someone's ability at a position by looking at one match.

Think you've missed the start of that argument. Billycooper said that Barkley should only be allowed to play out wide because of his age. I told him that age was irrelevant and gave those examples as they highlight that ability is more significant than age.

 

[billycopper]

[video=dailymotion;xzfm2r]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzfm2r_ross-barkley-vs-arsenal_sport#.UcF8Sdh2Mj9[/video]

As you obviously didn't see the game, have a look at where Ross is playing mate, looks shocking doesn't he like ^^

The second highlighted part of what you say is the exact reason we had Heitenga playing whilst being terrible game after game and costing us points over say Duffy, its exactly what saw Osman playing whilst being a passanger for the majoriity of games after his first England call up instead of getting Barkley more time
Its exactly the same thinking which saw the likes of Neville starting ahead of Gibson in the cup game vs Wigan
Its exactly why Moyes biggest flaw was developing through young players.

Barkley plays a great game away vs arsenal and is then dropped for a far easier home game and then dropped for a meaningless away game vs Chelsea in favor of Naismith ffs, yeah lad seasoned professionals is the way to go...

As for coleman dont make out that moyes playing him on the wing was some masterstroke of player development, he had no option this year but to play him at rb this year due to injuries and he made enough mistakes early season that Moyes would have dropped him if their was options, instead he developed by playing his correct position, learned from his mistakes and look at how he came on the rest of the season, if it was you though it would have been hibbert or neville all season long i reckon

I like him and I think that Moyes was overly-cautious in using him. There are three positions we could use him in: slightly advanced holding midfielder (Osman); attacking midfielder (Fellaini) or right midfielder (Mirallas). I think it would be a massive gamble to play him in Osman's position, where two or three of the opposition could quickly close him down and dispossess him or a stray pass could cost us. Plus, as you saw from the clips he roamed right the way across the pitch. How (and why) would we get him to kerb his attacking instincts to play a more disciplined game?

Fellaini was our top scorer and even if he leaves I think that Mirallas would take over playing behind the striker. Unless Barkley can contribute as many goals and assists we can't justify playing him here.

So that leaves right midfield. He can show off his full repertoire and get forward without being as burdened by defensive responsibility as he would in the centre. Once he settles down, begins to appreciate what is expected of him and starts contributing goals we could switch him into the middle.

I think that we did the best thing for Coleman's development by accident. I agree that players need game time and that Duffy, McAleny and Vellios should all have played more regularly. We just need to do it in a way that helps them to develop and doesn't pose too much of a risk to the team.

 

[pfim]

Think you've missed the start of that argument. Billycooper said that Barkley should only be allowed to play out wide because of his age. I told him that age was irrelevant and gave those examples as they highlight that ability is more significant than age.

I did, my apologies. Though there's no reason he can't be effective out wide and no reason he can't play there for a bit. And Fabregas played as a wide midfielder at times in his Arsenal career, especially at the beginning.

 

[billycopper]

Instead of a 32 year old 5'9 tall slow right back whose played a total of 2 minutes of footy since December and 6 games all last season and is coming back from a bad injury, then yes i would rather start stones and duffy rather than hibbert at cb, id also start stones ahead of him at rb should Coleman be injured.

So what that he had one good (not great just good) season for us in the entire time he's been here, he was utter gash last season and lost us points on at least 4 occasions, he played in a world cup final 3 years ago, yeah he also got sent off in that final if ya forgot mate, and as for every time ive seen him playing for Holland since he has been absolutely terrible, including looking shocking during the euros, but how a player plays for his international team is irrelevant i care about how they play for us, and he cant run, cant turn, cant jump, I'd rather not give him another 26 league games to try to rediscover this form you speak of.

I hate Kuyt, but sorry to compare him and Naismith shows your clueless mate, Kuyt whilst a **** had a lot of positives about his play, Naismith has absolutely zero going for him and is championship caliber, Kuyt would have walked into our team all the whilst he was at the ****e.

Aye Osman got called up during a really good spell of form early season, then after that put in maybe 3-4 good games all season, looked absolutely goosed for half the season, got ran over in loads of games, don't use the fact he got capped for a **** England side to try to make out hes some billy the fish, hes a squad played at best these days

Miralles will stop Coleman getting forward and leave him exposed, errr watch a game now and again, some of Coleman's best games came with Miralles playing right side, ****ing hell the two of them their terrified the left side of the opposition, they'd be rubbing their hands together if they saw Osman out wide, id argue playing a slow am as a winger ala Osman would leave him a LOT more exposed than anything else
But you genuinely haven't got a clue about Coleman have you mate?

My idea, ok then here ya go, get rid of Heitinga, Naismith, Gueye yup like a ****ing shot, Keep Osman and use him as a squad player, a fresher Osman playing less games will get the best out of him, use him either in am or cm if we have a dm behind, allow him to use what hes good at and protect the weak ares of his game.
Alcares in for Heitinga for veteran cover, only ones whose not slow as treacle and whose good in the air unlike johnny
Why we need cover for Gueye, he never featured and was shipped out to France on loan, easy answer is Oviedo lad.
Play Barkley a lot more in the center, dropped off the striker or occasionally in cm depending on the opponents.
Naismith on the right, rather give Kennedy a shot, he cannot do any worse

Plus you reckon Felli is staying lid or going as if hes gone we have 24m or more to invest, be able to get some good good back ups for Naismith and Heitinga for that like lol

Is there much point trying to discuss anything intelligently with you? You've already decided that Naismith is 'Championship standard' and Barkley is good enough to go into our first team despite Leeds decided that they didn't want to keep him and the England U21 squad not including him for their summer tournament. You can't have seen more than odd appearances by either of them.

So we have Coleman playing virtually as a wing back and Mirallas drifting all across the pitch. Do you think that might be one of the reason why the Baines-Pienaar combination hasn't been as noticeable this season? With a bit of balance (something you obviously lack) we could attack down both flanks.

 

[davek]

I would hope he leaves the no 2 Gk and full time replacement for dustbin (affectionate name) until next season and uses every penny possible this window to try bring in a quality ST and CM,

if he's playing a 3-4-3/4-3-3 then we need IMO a ST, RM and CM (with a replacement for Heitinga)
if its a 3-5-2 then we should be looking at 2x ST, a CM and CAM
or a 4-2-3-1 1x ST 1x CDM and 1x CAM

That's far too technical for me. I'm going to pass that onto my staff of technical advisers, Kenada and Brownie.

 

[billycopper]

Did he??? Those 46 appearances he had the year before aged 17 don't count then?

And wilshere was introduced aged 16 although admittedly he didn't make a huge impact on the first team before he was 18. Although I don't see how that means Barkley can't be considered a reserve CM aged 19 when that is his position. Did you watch the Spurs/Arsenal games? Against spurs he was poor out wide, against Arsenal he was impressive when he was central. For me it's that simple.

"He made 49 appearances in all competitions during the 2005–06 season". He was born May 1987. 2005-1987=18.

If Barkley is a reserve CM that means that if Gibson is injured he'd step up. He'd be hopelessly out of his depth. We might get away with it further up the pitch but we can't expect him to do the defensive side of the job, especially without a senior alongside him.

 

[pfim]

Well, Anderlecht have champions league, and the possibility of multiple medals

Yeah, but they're Anderlecht. That's where he should go if he wants playing time, not the other three.

 

[Eggs]

...still lots of conjecture, lots of preference but nothing of substance coming out. Saving my fingers till it does.