This nurse Letby case

[DavidH]

I can’t wait for his explanation when all the rest of it comes out. The stuff they couldn’t release about her, due to the ongoing trial.

She isn't vegan and all is she?

 

[PhilM]

@roydo or @AndyC any chance this goes to the CA forum, as it’ll stop some people swerving it away from where it should be.

 

[Nymzee]

This thread reminds me of why Dave got a CA ban.

 

[Shevin Keedy]

Could the not build the holding cell next to the court. Then have sliding panels that move back when the verdict is about to be read out? Could that work?

 

[GoldenToffee]

Why was she allowed to choose to stay in her cell for the verdict to be read out? Again?! How can this still be happening. Haul her up there if she refuses to face it.

7 murders and 6 attempted murders. She has to die behind bars, but this is the UK so wouldn't count on it.

 

[john jako]

Looks like the stadium thread lives to fight another day lol

Totally forgot I posted that.

Need to be careful with these posts and trusting the British justice system.

 

[Efcjake]

Bit heavy for the Ale House this

Is this not a thread for Current Affairs?

 

[Nymzee]

Bit heavy for the Ale House this

Is this not a thread for Current Affairs?

Look who created it and think why it's here lol

 

[Lee Smith]

Some unbelievable stuff now coming out, a few more NHS careers should be over by close of play today

If even half of the stuff that I just read about the hospital Management team and their actions / reactions to the concerns of others is true, then it just beggars belief. Staggering.

 

[tommye]

You're a neanderthal Tory gammon.

 FTFY

 

[Alan Whittle]

7 guilty of murder verdicts and 6 guilty of attempted murder verdicts………but they've got the wrong woman? OK Dave.

I’m sure the same levels of certainty were in the public mind (pre social media) and the main stream media in the immediate aftermath of the verdicts of The Birmingham Six, The Guildford Four, Timothy Evans, more recently Andrew Malkinson.
There is rightly horror and revulsion over the deaths of these defenceless infants but time has, on occasion in the past proven some “certain” verdicts as miscarriages of justice.

 

[davek]

We will have to disagree on this. Yes there were massive failures by hospital managers in that refused to listen to consultants but to paint this woman as a victim is way off the mark

I honestly wanted this to go one of two ways: a clear conviction based on a wealth of undenaiable evidence that she'd done what she was accused of, or a acquital based on the reverse. We got neither, I believe.

The evidence looked very ropey and the jury were clearly in some difficulty trying to make sense of the mess they were handed to give a judgement on.

 

[davek]

I’m sure the same levels of certainty were in the public mind (pre social media) and the main stream media in the immediate aftermath of the verdicts of The Birmingham Six, The Guildford Four, Timothy Evans, more recently Andrew Malkinson.
There is rightly horror and revulsion over the deaths of these defenceless infants but time has, on occasion in the past proven some “certain” verdicts as miscarriages of justice.

Yes, but for @COYBL25 she should be hung first and then maybe exonerated later.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Yes, but for @COYBL25 she should be hung first and then maybe exonerated later.

I was making a general point about verdicts and the immediate public reaction to them. Nothing more.

 

[PhilM]

I’m sure the same levels of certainty were in the public mind (pre social media) and the main stream media in the immediate aftermath of the verdicts of The Birmingham Six, The Guildford Four, Timothy Evans, more recently Andrew Malkinson.
There is rightly horror and revulsion over the deaths of these defenceless infants but time has, on occasion in the past proven some “certain” verdicts as miscarriages of justice.

The flip side of that would be, how many cases per 1,000 are found to be examples of a miscarriage of justice or at least a strong possibility of doing so?

Yes, there are examples, but I tend to believe that in the vast majority of cases the legal system is designed in such a way that the findings are valid.

This is why we have the court of appeal too and whatnot. She has been found guilty of multiple counts of murder, each a separate charge with its own evidence.