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Times article, Burnley/Leeds threaten to sue Everton

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MikelsGoat said:
As far as I know, no club has ever breached the Premier League P&L rules before.
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And we havent. The PL have accepted the rational for the losses.

So anyone using would have to prove, beyond reasonable doubts, that the PL were wrong on their application of their own rules. I'm not sure that would be easy. I'm also not sure we could be affected even if said team won v the PL.
 
luuk_deventer said:
Burnley and Leeds want Everton's finances thoroughly investigated and have asked for an independent commission to be set up to decide whether Everton have broken Premier League rules and whether they have a case to answer.

They have asked for the commission to be set up within six weeks of the date of their letter (May 13).

If there has been a breach they want rules to be enforced, and the maximum punishment is a points deduction.

They want this dealt with before next season's fixtures are released on June 16. They want a quick resolution - unlike the Premier League's investigation into Manchester City's alleged breaches of financial fair play rules which have been going on for more than three years.

There is believed to have been encouragement from other Premier League clubs to take this course of action.
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Theres not a chance this would get resolved by June.

You wont be able to get a court date by June.
 
Perhaps if there is another hearing and we win then the two teams that brought the case and lost should have 20 points deducted for being utterly complete ass holes.
 
Plenty of stuff we can countersue for:-

PGMOL, for all the incompetent (or corrupt) decisions against us costing us 10+ points this season
The RS for getting us banned from European competitions (with interest that should be a tidy packet).
Clive Thomas
UEFA and Pierluigi Colina…….

You get the picture, it sour grapes and you just get on with it.
 

catcherintherye said:
And we havent. The PL have accepted the rational for the losses.

So anyone using would have to prove, beyond reasonable doubts, that the PL were wrong on their application of their own rules. I'm not sure that would be easy. I'm also not sure we could be affected even if said team won v the PL.
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The PL were wrong with the application of their rules when the scabs tried to start a super league.
The whole of this season has revolved around that 'super league', all the nuances, decisions, headlines and dodginess has a thread leading to that.
 
I actually thought after the game that if I was a Leeds or Burnley fan, I'd be annoyed about Palace looking a bit casual in the second half, giving a run out to Milivojevic, etc.

Hope they somehow both go down now, the pair of grasses.
 
The amount of money we have written off due to COVID losses was always dubious, and it would have been ignorance on our part to think other clubs wouldn't raise their eyebrows about it. However, the sheer levels of scaremongering from the press is eye-opening but certainly not surprising. These prats couldn't even allow us one day to celebrate our survival.

The fact the media would have us believe that a resolution on this case could even happen before next season's fixtures are drawn is preposterous. The league have been investigating Man City for 3 years for alleged ffp breaches. There is no chance on earth that a resolution about our finances could be reached before next season starts, and probably not for a good while after that either. We'd then reserve the right to appeal any verdict and delay the process even further where we to be found guilty.

If you ever needed confirmation for just how infested the media is with kopites, look no further than this nonsense. They are absolutely devastated we survived.
 
So this is the contract isn't it;


Difficult to see how Burnley and Leeds could compel the Premier League to deduct points imo

The only clear route to a point deduction is if

1. The Prem refers a breach of its rules to a Commission as per section W

E.53, if the PSR Calculation results in losses of in excess of £105m: E.51.1. the Board may exercise its powers set out in Rule E.15; and E.51.2. the Club shall be treated as being in breach of these Rules and accordingly the Board shall refer the breach to a Commission constituted pursuant to Section W of these Rules.

2. The Commission can then deduct points as per section W

[ Commission has the power to]. deduct points scored or to be scored in League Matches or such other matches as are referred to in Rule W.49.4.1;

3. If a club wanted to force the Prem's hand it would have to take the Premier League itself to Arbitration as per Section X. But then it isn't clear the remedies involve point deductions.

The tribunal shall have power to:
X.26.1. determine any question of law or fact arising in the course of the arbitration;
X.26.2. determine any question as to its own jurisdiction;
X.26.3. make a declaration as to any matter to be determined in the proceedings;
X.26.4. order the payment of a sum of money;
X.26.5. award simple or compound interest;
X.26.6. order a party to do or refrain from doing anything;
X.26.7. order specific performance of a contract (other than a contract relating to land); and
X.26.8. order the rectification, setting aside or cancellation of a deed or other document


 
What about Man City at the beginning of their riches, PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona. They’ve all been at it, but everyone points the finger when it’s little old Everton ??
 

The two crying arse clubs case - such as it is - is against the PL for an agreement with Everton over profitability & sustainability.

There can be no points deduction or fine of the club. Everton will have all the paper work in relation to that. The PL are in the firing line, if any body is.

The Yanks who own Burnley and Leeds know they can only embarrass the PL and that's what they're trying to do to get more parachute payment cash (which is why you'll see the club that saves themselves on Sunday quietly drop out of any potential action).

Nothing to do with us this.
 
Neiler said:
Id be more worried if they liked us, i don’t feel anything good or bad for them, it’s just Newcastle, at worst yo-yo club at best, hovering just about in the league.

If I was Leeds or Burnley I’d be writing letters about them, they were dead and buried before they were taken over and pumped full of sport washed finance - really unfair, there should be a window for takeovers. They’d be down only for it, that’s Newcastle.
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I'm indifferent to them.

I'm just puzzled as to why they seem to hate us.

I've seen quite a few references to "Scouse Mackems" as well, which I find strange too, given Sunderland have won the league more times than them.
 
everton fan number one said:
So this is the contract isn't it;


Difficult to see how Burnley and Leeds could compel the Premier League to deduct points imo

The only clear route to a point deduction is if

1. The Prem refers a breach of its rules to a Commission as per section W

E.53, if the PSR Calculation results in losses of in excess of £105m: E.51.1. the Board may exercise its powers set out in Rule E.15; and E.51.2. the Club shall be treated as being in breach of these Rules and accordingly the Board shall refer the breach to a Commission constituted pursuant to Section W of these Rules.

2. The Commission can then deduct points as per section W

[ Commission has the power to]. deduct points scored or to be scored in League Matches or such other matches as are referred to in Rule W.49.4.1;

3. If a club wanted to force the Prem's hand it would have to take the Premier League itself to Arbitration as per Section X. But then it isn't clear the remedies involve point deductions.

The tribunal shall have power to:
X.26.1. determine any question of law or fact arising in the course of the arbitration;
X.26.2. determine any question as to its own jurisdiction;
X.26.3. make a declaration as to any matter to be determined in the proceedings;
X.26.4. order the payment of a sum of money;
X.26.5. award simple or compound interest;
X.26.6. order a party to do or refrain from doing anything;
X.26.7. order specific performance of a contract (other than a contract relating to land); and
X.26.8. order the rectification, setting aside or cancellation of a deed or other document
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What we have to be wary of is if the Government step in here and take control away from the PL. They highly politicised the Chelsea ownership situation and could, if it's politically expedient to do so (Red Wall seats etc), step into any claim against the PL and Everton. But that's the only way I see matters changing for the worse on this.
 
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