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2018/19 Tom Davies

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He isn’t performing to a consistently good level. What planet are you on? They even mentioned it on the commentary for the Leicester game that he’d been struggling this season.

Sandro was 21 and in a new country, he had shown a lot more promise than Tom Davies, I hope you shown him the same support.

Sandro showed more promise than Davies????

WHAT??

lol
 
Tuson has already been dropped and JJK is only in whilst Coleman is out injured.

Always sensationalising on here, you and a few others. Who is ‘moaning and screaming’ it’s giving an opinion on a player. One who the majority don’t think is good enough. I’ll base that off the reaction he gets at Goodison, which is a good as an indication as any from the match going fans.

Another one trying to pin some blame on the fans. So bizarre.

Quite remarkable that you accuse me of "sensationalising" hahahaha lol
 
I can absolutely guarantee you were slating Sandro when he was here. Is it a coincidence that we seem to play better when Davies is on the pitch? I don't think it is, and more importantly the manager who gets paid millions of pounds a year to pick the team must agree as he keeps picking him.
I’d say it’s more of a case if we play better in spite of Davies being on the pitch, e.g. Gueye and Schneiderlin aren’t the pairing.

Fat Sam was paid more than Silva, he must know more too, using that losing.
 
Oh well, if a commentator gave HIS opinion they must be spot on.

Because those commentators always know what they're on about don't they?

He's playing well enough to deserve his place in the team.

I was fully behind Sandro. To say he 'showed a lot more promise' is utter drivel. And you know that.
Yeah, and I’m giving MY opinion.

Do you always know what you’re talking about? Swaying away other’s opinions.

Yeah, scoring 11 goals in one season in La Liga is easy.
 
Yeah, and I’m giving MY opinion.

Do you always know what you’re talking about? Swaying away other’s opinions.

Yeah, scoring 11 goals in one season in La Liga is easy.

I'm not swaying it away, but you just come out with the same old tosh again and again. Your basis for not rating Davies is because of a load of middle-aged blokes whinging at him at the match? What are your actual reasons for hating a 20-yr-old Evertonian who has come in and done more than should be demanded of him and has been far from one of our worst performers in a crap team, only to get dogs abuse anyway?

Sandro showed loads of promise, i'm pretty sure it was more goals than that, in LaLiga.

But he in no way came close to replicating that form with us and looked totally incapable of settling into the Premier League. I wish it had gone differently, because we all thought there was a player there, but the lad's first touch took it 10 yards in front of him and he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo and the fact that he's been shipped back to Spain last season and failed to score speaks volumes. It's a shame he got injured at Sociedad because it looked like Silva (an actual coach) had instilled some belief back into him.

Just like Silva will be working on improving the weak aspects of Davies' game.
 

I'm not swaying it away, but you just come out with the same old tosh again and again. Your basis for not rating Davies is because of a load of middle-aged blokes whinging at him at the match? What are your actual reasons for hating a 20-yr-old Evertonian who has come in and done more than should be demanded of him and has been far from one of our worst performers in a crap team, only to get dogs abuse anyway?

Sandro showed loads of promise, i'm pretty sure it was more goals than that, in LaLiga.

But he in no way came close to replicating that form with us and looked totally incapable of settling into the Premier League. I wish it had gone differently, because we all thought there was a player there, but the lad's first touch took it 10 yards in front of him and he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo and the fact that he's been shipped back to Spain last season and failed to score speaks volumes. It's a shame he got injured at Sociedad because it looked like Silva (an actual coach) had instilled some belief back into him.

Just like Silva will be working on improving the weak aspects of Davies' game.
I commend your effort, I've given up for today. There's only so much head shaking and face palming a man can do.
 
I'm not swaying it away, but you just come out with the same old tosh again and again. Your basis for not rating Davies is because of a load of middle-aged blokes whinging at him at the match? What are your actual reasons for hating a 20-yr-old Evertonian who has come in and done more than should be demanded of him and has been far from one of our worst performers in a crap team, only to get dogs abuse anyway?

Sandro showed loads of promise, i'm pretty sure it was more goals than that, in LaLiga.

But he in no way came close to replicating that form with us and looked totally incapable of settling into the Premier League. I wish it had gone differently, because we all thought there was a player there, but the lad's first touch took it 10 yards in front of him and he couldn't hit a barn door with a banjo and the fact that he's been shipped back to Spain last season and failed to score speaks volumes. It's a shame he got injured at Sociedad because it looked like Silva (an actual coach) had instilled some belief back into him.

Just like Silva will be working on improving the weak aspects of Davies' game.
My basis for not rating Davies is because he misplaces a lot of his passes, he hits the ball full pelt at one of our players, attempting a pass, when they’re under pressure, he doesn’t score, he doesn’t assist, what is it he actually does well?

Also, I’m 25 years old, I don’t have many middle-aged friends, my mates of the same age feel the same as Silva, though, or are you trying to stereotype the Goodison fanbase as a bunch of middle-aged men bullying a 20 year old? I suppose that fits the agenda you, and a few others, are trying to push about the home fans.

Sandro was never given a consistent run of games.
 
The people who rate Davies always blame the fans for him not being as effective as he should, if he has a bad game or makes a bad pass, it's the fans fault. Yet, when he does something well, they go on about for games. Yeah he wasn't the best v (insert team name), but he played a great ball to Tosun v (another team) 4 games ago. It'll still be happening in a couple of seasons when he's putting in below average performances for us.

We looked much better when he went off against Leicester and that was because we were carrying him, again. The only thing he has on his side is youth, he has played over 50 games and hasn't progressed at all. The sooner we replace him, the better.
 
The people who rate Davies always blame the fans for him not being as effective as he should, if he has a bad game or makes a bad pass, it's the fans fault. Yet, when he does something well, they go on about for games. Yeah he wasn't the best v (insert team name), but he played a great ball to Tosun v (another team) 4 games ago. It'll still be happening in a couple of seasons when he's putting in below average performances for us.

We looked much better when he went off against Leicester and that was because we were carrying him, again. The only thing he has on his side is youth, he has played over 50 games and hasn't progressed at all. The sooner we replace him, the better.

Hi mate, no one's done that, cheers for reading x
 
My basis for not rating Davies is because he misplaces a lot of his passes, he hits the ball full pelt at one of our players, attempting a pass, when they’re under pressure, he doesn’t score, he doesn’t assist, what is it he actually does well?

Also, I’m 25 years old, I don’t have many middle-aged friends, my mates of the same age feel the same as Silva, though, or are you trying to stereotype the Goodison fanbase as a bunch of middle-aged men bullying a 20 year old? I suppose that fits the agenda you, and a few others, are trying to push about the home fans.

Sandro was never given a consistent run of games.

Your reasons there are valid, I think Davies has a tendency for overplaying when, if he kept things simple more often that'd be better.

But you act like he has no scope for improvement. He is 20! Five years younger than you, three than me, and yes, there are a load of middle-aged grumps and clearly a load of younger ones as well.

He brings energy, intensity and workrate to our midfield, something that is sorely lacking when Schneiderlin is in there. He always tries to pass forwards, always trying to get us on the front foot. Sometimes he needs to be more intelligent with that but improvement in those areas comes with age and correct coaching (something he has clearly not had at all under the last two managers).

It's not the end of the world because he isn't a superstar right now. Most players aren't even playing regularly at his age. He needs to improve but has plenty of time to do so.
 

Your reasons there are valid, I think Davies has a tendency for overplaying when, if he kept things simple more often that'd be better.

But you act like he has no scope for improvement. He is 20! Five years younger than you, three than me, and yes, there are a load of middle-aged grumps and clearly a load of younger ones as well.

He brings energy, intensity and workrate to our midfield, something that is sorely lacking when Schneiderlin is in there. He always tries to pass forwards, always trying to get us on the front foot. Sometimes he needs to be more intelligent with that but improvement in those areas comes with age and correct coaching (something he has clearly not had at all under the last two managers).

It's not the end of the world because he isn't a superstar right now. Most players aren't even playing regularly at his age. He needs to improve but has plenty of time to do so.
I didn’t say he had no scope for improvement, I said we can’t afford to be the team he learns his trade on, giving our need to catch up to the teams above us.

He needs loaning to the Championship and/or a lower placed Premier League team.
 
@GwladysBlue , since he constantly misplaces passes, here are his distribution stats for Leicester

Total passes - 41

Pass completion rate - 78%

Total passes in the opposition half - 26

Completion rate in the opposition half - 80.8%

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A bit of comparison with our other midfielders

Bernard
Total passes - 43
Pass completion rate - 72.1%
Total passes in the opposition half - 32
Completion rate in the opposition half - 78.1%

Gylfi
Total passes - 26
Pass completion rate - 77.3%
Total passes in the opposition half - 18
Completion rate in the opposition half - 72.2%

Gueye
Total passes - 54
Pass completion rate - 85.2%
Total passes in the opposition half - 25
Completion rate in the opposition half - 84%
 
Your reasons there are valid, I think Davies has a tendency for overplaying when, if he kept things simple more often that'd be better.

But you act like he has no scope for improvement. He is 20! Five years younger than you, three than me, and yes, there are a load of middle-aged grumps and clearly a load of younger ones as well.

He brings energy, intensity and workrate to our midfield, something that is sorely lacking when Schneiderlin is in there. He always tries to pass forwards, always trying to get us on the front foot. Sometimes he needs to be more intelligent with that but improvement in those areas comes with age and correct coaching (something he has clearly not had at all under the last two managers).

It's not the end of the world because he isn't a superstar right now. Most players aren't even playing regularly at his age. He needs to improve but has plenty of time to do so.

Imagine thinking the crowd isn’t made up of a load of cringey moaning farts who boo when the opposition hit the bar and under-30 social media edgelords who spew venom at a select group of players as a display of masculinity. Imagine swatting away that objectively provable opinion.
 
I didn’t say he had no scope for improvement, I said we can’t afford to be the team he learns his trade on, giving our need to catch up to the teams above us.

He needs loaning to the Championship and/or a lower placed Premier League team.

Why can't we be?

We can play young players and improve - that's part of building a proper squad.

As the players improve, the team improves, if you've got the right coach. And while I know you have doubts over Silva and in fairness I do too, I don't think there's any doubting his ability as a coach in terms of improving players. Look at Richarlison, bloody hell look what he did with Cleverley at Watford, or Robertson and Maguire in his short time at Hull.
 
Hi mate, no one's done that, cheers for reading x


Some thoughts on y'day/overall

Game completely passed him by first 20
Even though he wasn't playing well, he encouraged/organised more experienced players
He grew into game and was more involved/ambitious 2nd half
Like most of our players, he's scared of the crowd and plays it too safe when there are options on
Expectations are too high. He's not a playmaker but showed leadership/ambition when others (Schneiderlin) have abdicated any responsibility to play the ball forward
Not sure if captaincy will help/hinder his development, we'll see
Personally think he's behind Cook/Foden, but they're both exceptional young players
We have some of the worst/toxic fans in PL. I'd be terrified to play at Goodison
I see the captaincy given to Tom Davies as an act of the confidence Marco Silva has in the young players at Everton & in Tom Davies we have a midfield player who can progress to the very top, I have already seen the lad mature during the games he has been captain with less rash challenges & taking on more responsibility for the team.

It is essential that our young players are encouraged & supported through the good times & the bad to allow them to progress to their maximum ability at Everton football club.

Marco is already showing faith with our young players by giving them the chance to perform in the first team, Kenny,Davies,Keane Calvert Lewin in particular where they can be inspired to play to potential & beyond & I see the captaincy given to Davies as an extension of this empowerment...

Believe & support our young players...
Then they can believe in themselves...
Thought he did ok , pass near the end was a bit iffy, but others miles worse Baines for one a none excistant Dowells another.
How the lad plays at all with the tools in the crowd I don't know , I fillpped on the divs by me , just told them to shut the fck up after half time , you could feel them waiting for him to cock something up, or say turn every fck few minutes , at one point he had 3 of there players in front of him hate are fans these days some right dicks.
It could potentially be the reason for his erraticness in that second half. He was getting abused for going sidewise and backwards but was also getting abused for trying balls forward that weren't coming off. It's frustrating like but I agree that some of the mouth-foamers in the Gwladys need to wind it in a bit.

I didn't even go back that far to find these. You're welcome though.
 

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