V.A.R

[riddick]

As an American that sees all the perils of overuse of video replay/challenges:

VAR should only be used for:
1) Did the ball go over the line for a goal (we already have this with goal line technology)
2) Offside goals. A goal is scored that VAR proves was offside - think John Terry in the 97th minute
3) Penalties given that are not penalties (VAR would prove guy got ball first, etc)
4) Away from the ball red-card offence type fouls that the ref doesn't see

I think 4 should be across the board regardless. He game is too fast for a ref to see everything correctly. Again, just look at this weekend, an on the ball incident should have been a red but was ignored.

I think they need to take away the ref reviewing it and put it in the hands of the people watching the replay. Refs have hubris, not many will be excited to overturn a terrible call they made

 

[buskwhi2]

My only issue will be how it’s used with regards to defenders / attackers holding each other in the box from set pieces. It goes on both ways and I can’t be bothered going through the rigmarole of VAR after every corner.

 

[Nymzee]

My only issue will be how it’s used with regards to defenders / attackers holding each other in the box from set pieces. It goes on both ways and I can’t be bothered going through the rigmarole of VAR after every corner.

To be fair I don’t think it’ll be that bad. You can just let play continue whilst someone watches the replays. If it looks like a pen you stop the play/wait for a break in play then go back and take it.

 

[buskwhi2]

To be fair I don’t think it’ll be that bad. You can just let play continue whilst someone watches the replays. If it looks like a pen you stop the play/wait for a break in play then go back and take it.

Hope so. I’m all for it in general but just see holding as an opportunity for strikers to be clever and ‘win’ penalties. I watch a fair amount of rugby league and some players are much cleverer than others at winning penalties by being held down.
Hopefully they’ll use it to clamp down on cheating as well as everything else.

 

[Bluewolf]

Nah, total rubbish...Its only The Prem that lives in this sort of Reffs❤Sky Darling Fantasy Island.

As seen from the Reffs in the WC, some, with all due respect, who come from near 'Bush League' locations...any Reffs from 'der best league in der werld'
NO.

'ball to hand' from 18 ins is only made possible with VAR

VAR, as seen in the WC, will only make these idiots more erratic, not less

In Europe there's no such thing as ball to hand, theres just hand ball. Your hand gets in the way of the ball then it's a foul. It's only in England where it's left up to interpretation, which is where it then becomes complicated.

What are you on about?! VAR worked amazing in the world cup and helped it become one of the best world cups in a long time. I can't remember many times when VAR did anything but enhance the game and help refs officiate the game.

If VAR had of been introduced to the premier league this season then we'd have 10+ points more on the board and Liverpool would probably have 10+ less. That's how much it would influence the league and in the interest of fairness.

 

[Bluewolf]

The ball was tw@ed at the defender from like a foot/few feet away if memory serves. Incredibly incredibly harsh if nothing else

Yes and in the prem it wouldn't of been a pen but in every other leauge in Europe there's no such this as ball to hand there's just hand ball. So to the official it was defiantly a pen.

 

[BernieH]

I can see the merits in VAR but i'm not convinced, I like the controversy, obviously when it goes against you it's fume inducing but it's all part of the game in my eyes, as with anything though I'd imagine a few seasons into it, i'll be wondering how we ever did without it no doubt.

 

[BernieH]

the standard of refs is very poor and I worry VAR will make them even worse as they'll get lazy and rely on VAR for everything which is not good for flow, I want a ref who is confident and competent in their abilities. I think more should be done to encourage refs into the game and be trained to a high standard, then maybe videos won't be needed.

 

[degsy]

Yes and in the prem it wouldn't of been a pen but in every other leauge in Europe there's no such this as ball to hand there's just hand ball. So to the official it was defiantly a pen.

But we don't play in any other league in Europe.
Opinions innit
VAR as used in the WC was aggreived player driven
If it gets in the Prem in this form it will make already weak Reffs even weaker in favour of the big boys

This is the entirety of the 'handling the ball' rule on the FA's website:

Handling the ball involves a deliberate act of a player making contact with the ball with the hand or arm. The following must be considered:

• the movement of the hand towards the ball (not the ball towards the hand)
• the distance between the opponent and the ball (unexpected ball)
• the position of the hand does not necessarily mean that there is an offence

 

[Tel001]

It's not really bizarre though because in every other leauge apart from the prem that's a pen.

Rule says “ deliberate” so even if your hand moves toward the ball by accident. It shouldn’t be given. There is nothing to say that if you gain advantage that it’s hand ball, it’s deliberate. In theory if richy smashes a shot and if hit niasse hand and went in then the goal should stand as long as he didn’t deliberatley handle it

 

[degsy]

Direct free kick
A direct free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following seven offences in a manner considered by the referee to be
careless, reckless or using excessive force:
• kicks or attempts to kick an opponent
• trips or attempts to trip an opponent
• jumps at an opponent
• charges an opponent
• strikes or attempts to strike an opponent
• pushes an opponent
• tackles an opponent
A direct free kick is also awarded to the opposing team if a player commits any
of the following three offences:
• holds an opponent
• spits at an opponent
• handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own
penalty area)
A direct free kick is taken from the place where the offence occurred
(see Law 13 – Position of free kick).
Penalty kick
A penalty kick is awarded if any of the 10 offences listed above is committed by
a player inside his own penalty area, irrespective of the position of the ball,
provided it is in play.

 

[Tel001]

I think 4 should be across the board regardless. He game is too fast for a ref to see everything correctly. Again, just look at this weekend, an on the ball incident should have been a red but was ignored.

I think they need to take away the ref reviewing it and put it in the hands of the people watching the replay. Refs have hubris, not many will be excited to overturn a terrible call they made

4th official can view challenges etc as many times as he needs while the game is in play , also dives etc, if one is found he radios the ref and tells him it’s a red or dive etc , and the player goes. If the player has scored or whatever in the time it took the decision to be made then that’s just unlucky . That way the game doesn’t stop, decisions can be corrected, and in the case of diving , which I would change to a red and 3 game ban, the players simply wouldn’t dive anymore as they know they can’t get away with it. That rule about not being able to appeal yellow cards or being unable to punish Jorginho because he already got booked needs changing to

 

[Tel001]

To be fair I don’t think it’ll be that bad. You can just let play continue whilst someone watches the replays. If it looks like a pen you stop the play/wait for a break in play then go back and take it.

I agree , you do know that we will be drawing at the pit with a minute left and they will get a 94th minute pen for holding in the box from a corner in the 46th minute

 

[degsy]

FIFA Rule 4 VAR
4. Video assistant referee (VAR)
The use of video assistant referees (VARs) is only permitted where the match/
competition organiser has fulfilled all the VAR protocol and implementation
requirements (as set out in the VAR Handbook) and has received written
permission from The IFAB and FIFA.
The referee may be assisted by a video assistant referee (VAR) only in the event
of a ‘clear and obvious error’ or ‘serious missed incident’ in relation to:

• goal/no goal
• penalty/no penalty
• direct red card (not second caution)
• mistaken identity when the referee cautions or sends off the wrong player of
the offending team

The assistance from the video assistant referee (VAR) will relate to using
replay(s) of the incident. The referee will make the final decision which may be
based solely on the information from the VAR and/or the referee reviewing the
replay footage directly (‘on-field review’).
Except for a ‘serious missed incident’, the referee (and where relevant other
‘on-field’, match officials) must always make a decision (including a decision
not to penalise a potential offence); this decision does not change unless it is a
‘clear and obvious error’.

 

[MikeH72]

I can see the merits in VAR but i'm not convinced, I like the controversy, obviously when it goes against you it's fume inducing but it's all part of the game in my eyes, as with anything though I'd imagine a few seasons into it, i'll be wondering how we ever did without it no doubt.

See I’d be able to get behind that if it was just the odd controversial decision, but these referees get more wrong than they do right, they literally cannot do their jobs.