Vaping as bad for your heart as smoking!!!

[Moomin]

Ok, the standford daily article has lovely pieces like



FYI the majority of the Vaping market is sourced from China and Home made business so there is next to no advertising for the industry apart from the store bought starter kits. So the vast majority of vapers use unadvertised products.But moving on,



Ok so the bold bit there, not true, considering vaping is banned along side smoking in public areas. So wrong there.

The rest of it, could be attributed to anything, teens looking for the latest trends.. so can swap vaping out for anything else and teens would do it? Hardly the works of the devil then eh?



Ok
1. Yes you can have e cigs without nicotine in
2. Also @Moomin your source is advocating creating a product for teens here, sure you stand by your words?



I can go through the others if you like mate? Pick out articles and show you how full of crap they are?

I never read any of them, you told me to google so I did. But, pick apart the first one by NBC, I'll have a read of it now.

 

[The Cowboy]

It is wild speculation. just because it is a sweet flavour, that it has to be aimed at kids? Are adults not allowed to have iron bru alcohol? Bubblegum flavour vape?

It is the 'think of the children' routine. If it was all 'adult flavours' would anyone care what they tasted like?

It's not 'aimed' at kids, but it is appealing to kids (vs burnt paper and tobacco).

 

[Tubey]

It's not 'aimed' at kids, but it is appealing to kids (vs burnt paper and tobacco).

And doing them and adults 95% less harm.

 

[Tubey]

Do you not remember the furore over alcopops? Kids have always been drinking underage, but drinks like Hooch and Two Dogs saw that spike drastically.

Exactly the same thing with vaping.

1. Not the same thing, as alcopops were the exact same thing as the thing they aimed to replace. Vaping isn't.

2. Vaping has nowhere near the spike alcopops had, and there wasn't a corresponding decline in adult drinking with alcopops.

 

[ijjysmith]

It is wild speculation. just because it is a sweet flavour, that it has to be aimed at kids? Are adults not allowed to have iron bru alcohol? Bubblegum flavour vape?

It is the 'think of the children' routine. If it was all 'adult flavours' would anyone care what they tasted like?

Is there Irn Bru vape mate?

 

[Moomin]

Ok, the standford daily article has lovely pieces like



FYI the majority of the Vaping market is sourced from China and Home made business so there is next to no advertising for the industry apart from the store bought starter kits. So the vast majority of vapers use unadvertised products.But moving on,



Ok so the bold bit there, not true, considering vaping is banned along side smoking in public areas. So wrong there.

The rest of it, could be attributed to anything, teens looking for the latest trends.. so can swap vaping out for anything else and teens would do it? Hardly the works of the devil then eh?



Ok
1. Yes you can have e cigs without nicotine in
2. Also @Moomin your source is advocating creating a product for teens here, sure you stand by your words?



I can go through the others if you like mate? Pick out articles and show you how full of crap they are?

After you do the NBC one do this as well please.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/kids-young-adults-not-view-11423901

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Smoking? Bad for you??

WHY WEREN'T WE TOLD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[Naisy'sCharitableLeanings]

Agai


I can see it with my own eyes, kids doing it. Adverts for vaping on TV, at football grounds, on the internet etc etc.

They are doing what the tobacco companies done years ago and targeting the youth. All you have to do is go in Google and see. Plenty of evidence from the US government showing this is the case and they are targeting that age bracket.

As a consumer of these products, I pay pretty close attention to the advertising (which is very low level in itself). I see nothing advertising flavours, let alone anything that takes the next leap in targeting them at kids. The advertising, to my mind, is aimed at middle class, middle aged dinner party smokers if anything. Research on the flavours proves they play a big part in committed smokers staying off the ciggies - typically, smokers need the nicotine, but come to actively dislike the taste of cigarettes long before they actually give up.

 

[Naisy'sCharitableLeanings]

Do you agree with me that the Vaping companies are targeting the youth market?

No, absolutely not.

 

[Ashtonian]

It's not 'aimed' at kids, but it is appealing to kids (vs burnt paper and tobacco).

But so is anything. Everything bad is glamourised to kids so to what extent do you remove them all?

Is there Irn Bru vape mate?

Aye you can get all sorts.

 

[ijjysmith]

Aye you can get all sorts.

Liquorice?

 

[Ashtonian]

@Moomin

Ok here goes

E-cigarette makers are pouring tens of millions of dollars into advertising their wares — and teenagers are getting the message loud and clear, federal health officials reported Tuesday.

No they are not. First line right off the bat as well. As said before, most of the market is sourced from china and is not advertised whatsoever/

"The same advertising tactics the tobacco industry used years ago to get kids addicted to nicotine are now being used to entice a new generation of young people to use e-cigarettes," said CDC director Dr. Tom Frieden.

Nope. I see no child friendly advertising out there whatsoever.

Advocates said the industry must be stopped from advertising to children.

"The irresponsible and indiscriminate marketing by the e-cigarette industry, coupled with a complete lack of government oversight, is putting the health of our nation's kids at risk," said Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.

They don't. And government oversight? they are currently banning it everywhere! Article not going well so far....

Late last year a team at the Harvard School of Public Health found many e-cigarette flavors deliver harmful chemicals, including diacetyl, the chemical blamed for causing "popcorn lung" in workers at microwave popcorn packaging plants. Other teams found formaldehyde, which is known to cause cancer.

first of all. no cases of popcorn lung in anyone other than the people who got it, also more of it is in ciggies and no reported cases there either. The other one, only would be created if you were burning the coils in the ecig. Now considering the taste of doing so, you would be stupid to keep inhaling literal burning of the coil, so therefore that will not exist and cannot be sourced from anything contained in liquids either.

"It is also incumbent on states to enact and enforce laws to stop retailers from selling these products to children."

They don't, and any found to be doing so can face prosecution in this country.

There is your nbc article mate. nothing but crap in that as well, with assumptions and guesswork, with nothing to base it all on.

 

[Blue 1]

 

[Moomin]

@Moomin


Nope. I see no child friendly advertising out there whatsoever.

I feel a poll is in order for this.

 

[Ashtonian]

After you do the NBC one do this as well please.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/kids-young-adults-not-view-11423901

Ok mate, happily.

Kids and young adults do not view vaping e-cigarettes as smoking, Durham University study finds

start with the headline. Vaping is not smoking. Straight away this article looks jarg as apart from nicotine, neither things share any of the same properties. Good start!

E-cigarettes are not linked with a tobacco habit by young people, according to Durham University research.

Because it isn't a tobacco habit, it is a nicotine habit. Two different things again.

It found only 28% of 14 to 25 year olds who used vapes do so to try and kick a tobacco habit. The majority were attracted to flavours or liked performing ‘tricks’ with the vapour.

ok here is the meat of it. 25% of 14-25 year olds, so that is a huge age gap, 11 years worth? What about the 18-25 people then who are legally able to smoke or buy vaping products. How many of the survey were under 18 and how many were over? Very easy to throw an 11 year grap and then aim the whole thing at kids. So jarg research then.

“Adults are bogged down by the similarities between smoking and vaping where as young people see them as different activities and do not associate vaping with the idea of a being a smoker or non-smoker.

“The young people we spoke with did not relate to the adult motivations ascribed to e-cigarettes, such as smoking cessation and nicotine consumption.”

Younger interest in e-cigarettes does not necessarily mean cigarette smoking is becoming more acceptable again - because attitudes towards e-cigs and tobacco are different.

Ok so they have established that the age range goes all the way to 25 right? Flawed again here. first of all attitudes different? Yes, vaping is being banned, smoking isn't. They keep referring to the 'young people' but if that related to a 19 year old then therefore legally able to buy and use said device and therefore makes no odds why they want to use it. You see the flaw in the logic now? If 80% of the aurvey was 18 or over then straight away the poll is pointless. But they haven't supplied that info, funny that.

Prof Measham said: “In this age group, it appeared that vaping was less about an association with nicotine use and more to do with personal choice, enhanced peer group status and socialising with friends.

Oh right, the 14- 25 group socialise with friends do they? Peer group status? Very generalised view there, i mean it isnt like anyone in that 11 year age bracket drink socially, smoke socially, drug socially. No, they all gather round and vape. Hell even if they are, if they are 18 or over why does that even matter?

So, whilst public health professionals, policy makers and academics are debating about whether e-cigarettes may help reduce tobacco smoking

it does, statistics are out there proving this. That is poor journalism because the statistics are out there for anyone to see they do work for smoking cessation. Want an example? ME!

And finally the lovely little gem at the end of your argument @Moomin

Gavin Turnbull, research associate on the project, said: “Whilst the majority of young e-cigarette users are currently smokers, we need to understand vaping as a new and different phenomenon to cigarettes.”

So this research also states that the majority of e cig users in the 14-25 bracket do smoke, therefore Rubbishes the idea that E cigs target youngsters and therefore rubbishes any idea that the young are vaping without smoking.



Oh and moomin, research (something you clearly don't do) tells you the majority of the cases they survied were in fact in the age range of 16-25 as they were all in further education college and above, meaning the findings are fundamentally flawed considering the age range pushes it close to, or above the legal age of vaping.