Vaping as bad for your heart as smoking!!!

[Derek Acorah]

Weird timing, I literally cut right down about 4 days ago as my optician said I had high blood pressure (for the first time in my life!). Then I thought; oh yeah I do occasionally get weird palpitations.

I don't know about anyone else, but because there isn't the rigmarole of going outside and that, I can habitually take on way more nicotine while sitting around at home than with normal cigs.

Heartbeat seems normal now, but I also cut right down on caffeine and sugar too so could be any of these if not all 3, experiments ongoing.

High blood pressure can be related to many things. Do you drink alcohol on a frequent basis? Do you eat fatty foods? Do you get exercise?

Also, like you mentioned, cutting out caffeine and sugar will definitely help.

Vaping is 100 times safer than smoking but will probably still have risks, as does anything enjoyable it seems. I'm still going to do it, it's the only vice I have seeing as I don't drink alcohol, eat fatty foods or take recreational drugs.

 

[Moomin]

http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/08Augus...nt-less-harmful-than-smoking-says-report.aspx

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...armful-than-tobacco-estimates-landmark-review

Erm, that's talking about people vaping to get into smoking.

Of course people are not going to vape and then start smoking after it which is all that report shows.

So, they are not advertising for a new generation to take up vaping. They don't want to maximise their returns but are doing solely for people to stop smoking.

Be real, they want profits and they don't care how they get them. Just like the tobacco companies but under the umbrella we are safer than them.

 

[Moomin]

https://www.guidelinesinpractice.co.uk/from-smoking-to-vaping-to-quitting-a-nurses-guide

My terrible googling skills hasn't let me come across the many studies there has been, But there is a half decent website for nurses in particular.

Or this which says (considering government webiste sourced)



BOOM, there is evidence mate.

Wow, you are using a guide for people to stop smoking as evidence that youngster are not taking up vaping.

 

[Moomin]

Genuine question, Would you prefer those school kids to smoke cigarettes then?

That's not a defence I'm afraid.

Would you prefer people to smoke crack cocaine instead of injecting heroin?? That's the defence you are using here.

 

[Moomin]

Anecdotally, my close friend now vapors regularly having only ever had the odd cig on a night out. I also see many schoolkids at the train station vaping as its much easier to obtain them over the net. Doubtful any of them have actually smoked a cigarette.

You should have congratulated the kids for not smoking.

 

[Ashtonian]

Wow, you are using a guide for people to stop smoking as evidence that youngster are not taking up vaping.

there is also the government document there you have clearly ignored backing up what i said, but easier to argue when you take government documents away eh?

That's not a defence I'm afraid.

Would you prefer people to smoke crack cocaine instead of injecting heroin?? That's the defence you are using here.

Again this is not comparable.

I still enjoy your car crash at 30 or 50 Mph example. Because one is much more likeley to kill you than the other, which kind of proves my point.

And comparing it from one drug to another is a bit of a swing and miss mate when cigarettes and Eliquid Both contain the same drug in them.

 

[The Cowboy]

Genuine question, Would you prefer those school kids to smoke cigarettes then?

Genuine question back at you, so you think these kids would actually be smoking cigarettes? I don't think they would. Sure, kids have always managed to procure the odd pack of cigs, but it's so much easier to get hold of vaping gear off the net.

 

[Ashtonian]

Genuine question back at you, so you think these kids would actually be smoking cigarettes? I don't think they would. Sure, kids have always managed to procure the odd pack of cigs, but it's so much easier to get hold of vaping gear off the net.

honestly yes i do believe the majority of them would be. I base that on one thing, Vaping isn't cool, but smoking is. So if it was simply to look cool in front of their friends then they would take up smoking. Now a 13 year old has no need for a nicotine dependency fresh out the block so wouldn't be able to cope with high nicotine content in the liquid, plus the fact that there is plenty of mentions around articles that they are more likely to have nicotine free liquids.

But teenagers have always smoked, and found it easy enough to get them despite being under age. Even now they do, when the regulations are 21 or 25 now?

 

[The Cowboy]

honestly yes i do believe the majority of them would be. I base that on one thing, Vaping isn't cool, but smoking is. So if it was simply to look cool in front of their friends then they would take up smoking. Now a 13 year old has no need for a nicotine dependency fresh out the block so wouldn't be able to cope with high nicotine content in the liquid, plus the fact that there is plenty of mentions around articles that they are more likely to have nicotine free liquids.

But teenagers have always smoked, and found it easy enough to get them despite being under age. Even now they do, when the regulations are 21 or 25 now?

Disagree. Smoking is 'cool' to kids because it's something only adults are allowed to do. The act of smoking has achieved mythical status due to it being a prop for historically cool actors. Vaping as an act doesn't look particularly cool, but it's still something adults do, and as such, something kids want to emulate. Its bugger all to do with nicotine dependencies.

 

[Ashtonian]

Disagree. Smoking is 'cool' to kids because it's something only adults are allowed to do. The act of smoking has achieved mythical status due to it being a prop for historically cool actors. Vaping as an act doesn't look particularly cool, but it's still something adults do, and as such, something kids want to emulate. Its bugger all to do with nicotine dependencies.

But the cool kids are the ones who smoke? I am not sure why any child would see vaping as a good thing to do when all the 'adult' press seems to make it out to be the devil.

So perhaps the perspective is the kids who vape are the ones who would have smoked but have taken an alternative approach to it that is thought to be much less dangerous than smoking is, with fewer health issues.
Which would then technically be saving a kid from taking up smoking as a result and chances are kids will get bored of vaping long before they develop int like they would have done with 10 benson off their brother

 

[Moomin]

It's very clear who the vaping companies are targeting with candy and sweet flavoured liquids.

But, it's safer than smoking. You just need to look with your eyes and you can see kids in school uniforms vaping.

 

[Moomin]

But the cool kids are the ones who smoke? I am not sure why any child would see vaping as a good thing to do when all the 'adult' press seems to make it out to be the devil.

So perhaps the perspective is the kids who vape are the ones who would have smoked but have taken an alternative approach to it that is thought to be much less dangerous than smoking is, with fewer health issues.
Which would then technically be saving a kid from taking up smoking as a result and chances are kids will get bored of vaping long before they develop int like they would have done with 10 benson off their brother

Why don't you advocate for kids to carry knives as its safer than having a gun while you are at it.

 

[The Cowboy]

But the cool kids are the ones who smoke? I am not sure why any child would see vaping as a good thing to do when all the 'adult' press seems to make it out to be the devil.

So perhaps the perspective is the kids who vape are the ones who would have smoked but have taken an alternative approach to it that is thought to be much less dangerous than smoking is, with fewer health issues.
Which would then technically be saving a kid from taking up smoking as a result and chances are kids will get bored of vaping long before they develop int like they would have done with 10 benson off their brother

I already said. It's because it's something adults do.

And as if they read what's said about it in the press, behave.

 

[Naisy'sCharitableLeanings]

The whole defence of " It's safer than smoking " falls down when you have teenagers vaping without being a smoker first.

We have adverts at football grounds, on TV and billboards around schools. But, you have to be 18 to buy liquids etc. I'm pretty sure the likes @Ashtonian don't ask for ID when he peddles his liquid.

So, do we tell the parents of these kids getting addicted to Vaping " Don't worry, no long term issues for these kids in 30 years!! It's been approved by the world's top cardiologist @Ashtonian "

This is what Ash is saying though - back up the 'kids are becoming addicted to vaping never having smoked' claim with clinical evidence, and he will have to change his stance. But you're not, so he won't.

 

[Moomin]

Agai

This is what Ash is saying though - back up the 'kids are becoming addicted to vaping never having smoked' claim with clinical evidence, and he will have to change his stance. But you're not, so he won't.

I can see it with my own eyes, kids doing it. Adverts for vaping on TV, at football grounds, on the internet etc etc.

They are doing what the tobacco companies done years ago and targeting the youth. All you have to do is go in Google and see. Plenty of evidence from the US government showing this is the case and they are targeting that age bracket.